Immediate thoughts on quarterfinals
Dec
2005
Wow, what a day of football. And the day ended for us a lot like the Miracle in the Mud day ended. In this case, it was with both Pat Cummings and Keith McMillan driving home glued to their cellphones as I had two phones, one to each of them, sitting on the speakers of my laptop.
That’s how it came down in 2000: Keith and I were driving back from a game at Widener and my wife set up a phone next to the computer speaker, allowing me to listen and relay the play by play to Keith.
I hope this wasn’t the de facto national championship game in McMinnville, today. I have to believe Mount Union is going to have something to say about it. But kudos to UW-Whitewater for carrying the WIAC flag into the semifinals and not just phoning it in.
Kudos also to Wesley, for taking its Cinderella run to the semis as well. I don’t know if they’ve got much of a chance at Whitewater, but not sure how many gave them a chance at UMHB either. This is a great run for that program.
Capital put on a good show as well in falling short. Lewis Howes, who set a Division III single-game receiving record a few years back at Principia, wanted to see what he could do at a higher level. Today we found out (12 catches, 245 yards, four TDs).
What’s left of Rowan makes the trip to Alliance, Ohio. The two haven’t met since Dec. 11, 1999, when Rowan upset Mount Union and ended the Purple Raiders’ then-record win streak.
Should be an interesting week.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:42 am
“What’s left of Rowan makes the trip to Alliance, Ohio”
Exactly. 3 of their top players out, including their 2 best, per this week’s Around the Nation. AND playing on the road. And still no one in the East can beat them. Ridiculous. If this wasn’t the year that finally showed just how bad the East is then I don’t know what year will. How none of the “top teams” in this region on their home field can beat a squad that is so badly banged up is embarrassing. And this has been going on for years. Please NCAA, PLEASE start putting some teams worth a darn into this region. Otherwise, we might as well give the Profs the East region trophy every single frickin’ year. Oh, and how about we not give them 3 at large bids anymore, either. How about 0 - yeah that sounds about right.
Congrats to the Profs for getting it done. This is nothing against your football team. And congrats to the teams in the other regions who gave us regional final games for the ages (West and North) and to the South for showing your competitiveness and throwing us for a loop this year.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:38 am
Hey - D3forme -
You apparently have forgotten that, at this stage of football, at any level, great defenses usually find a way to outlast great offenses. From my vantage point, it doesn’t look like any great teams west of PA play great defense. 500-plus yards of offense is the norm - on both sides of the ball. It’s a joke.
Conversely, if you look at the details of Rowan’s last two victories, their defense forced 8 turnovers that played a signficant role in each of their victories. Both DV and Union produced over 400 yards against one of the top defenses in the country. Difficult to overcome in any game, let alone against the top program in the region. Nonetheless, both games came down to the final minutes.
Before knocking the East Region lineup, take a close look a the North Region lineup this year - I mean Lakeland (gave up 73 points in a regular season loss), Mt. St. Joseph and Albion?? I mean, their conferences combined have one playoff victory EVER! And let’s talk about the West - where Occidental and Monmouth give up over 60 points in playoff games - and critics were hoping for an Occidental/Linfield regional final? Are you kidding?
If anything, the East demonstrated its balance - top to bottom. Rowan has survived two games that weren’t decided until the last whistle - yet you crow about the other regional finals as “games for the ages” - what about Rowan’s last two victories? It’s obvious where your bias lies. We’ll see about the weak East next week. Then we’ll chat.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:46 am
D3forme - I write this without bias and your comment shows just how little you know about the East Region. For starters, the #1 and #2 teams in the country did happen to meet on the playing field, albeit in the National Quarterfinals…..not the National Championship. If WW is the true champ, they will take out Wesley and the winner of MU and Rowan. Second……at least we have a playoff in D3…….not the BCS bs like D1 (although the top 2 teams will be meeting there as well!!). Third…….Wesley is an Eastern team (Delaware) who was placed into the South and throttled the weak sisters in that bracket!!! The weakling from the East blew up that bracket!! How come no issues on your end on the weakness of the South? Trinity, Mary Hardin-Baylor…..at home……please!!!! No matter how the brackets are set up, the cream will rise to the top and the best team will be crowned champion. Whether Linfield lost (at home!!) in the National Quarterfinals or at the Finals……they lost. Where they lost and when they lost will not hurt nor would it have helped any of their players find a good job or get into a top notch b-school, med school or law school!!! When my HR people are interviewing various candidates for positions at my companies across the country (D3 grad without my team even in the playoffs!!!), no potential employee will be asked about the relative weakness of the East versus the North and South in D3 football. When we go on campus to Tufts, Trinity (CT), Bowdoin, Amherst, etc., the resumes state that these individuals played football and we’ll know they excelled with an excruciating academic load.
As far as a game that I was at and I’ll doubt that you were………Delaware Valley was up 14-0 at halftime and had given up 78 yards of offense. At the start of the second half, DV lost their All-American wide receiver (David Carmon) to a separated shoulder, lost their only cornerback near 6′ tall (the 5′7″ corner was left to cover the 6′4″ D1 transfer All-American), lost their #3 receiver (John Kiphorn) who dressed despite a torn MCL suffered last week and for all intents and purposes lost the effectiveness (badly sprained ankle) of their best nose tackle and still had a chance at the end of the game to win it but the pass fell incomplete. And by the way, DV’s two best d-backs last year transferred to Rowan this year and started for Rowan all year. They didn’t want to leave but couldn’t afford the expense of the private school (Rowan is a public school and about 1/3 as expensive!!). And please don’t make a big deal of winning D3 playoff games on the road. A couple of thousand fans does not make the Big House at Michigan, Joe Pa’s at Happy Valley nor Death Valley at Clemson……especially when then travel for the road team is only an hour or two away!! Ask Trinity, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Union, DV, Linfield about the importance of home field.
As far as the East is concerned, Rowan, Union, Del Val, Wilkes and Wesley (yes, they are in the Eastern US) are extremely young and loaded for next year and will represent the East just fine……..both on, and much more importantly……off the field!!! And don’t forget about what Trinity (CT) would do in the playoffs on the national scope as well. They take the Ivy League approach and don’t participate in the playoffs because of the intensity of the academic load. In some (but not all respects) I take my hat off to Trinity!!
Congrats to Rowan, WW, MUC and Wesley and the best team in D3 will be the team that wins the Stagg Bowl in two weeks!!
P.S. I guess the Hobart coach was correct when he spoke about the closeness of Union and DV. They both lost on their home fields by four points and six points and had a chance to win at the end. Hats off to the Hobart coach in his on-the-money analysis.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:49 am
ducthman89 - Dead on!!!!!!!! And remember, Wesley (Delaware) is an Eastern team who tore up the tough South!!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 9:00 am
To prove once again that DIII football is the Rodney Dangerfield of big-city media, the Dallas Morning News reported the following pairings for next week’s games:
Mount Union v. Rowan
Wisconsin-Whitewater winner v. Wesley
Oy.
December 4th, 2005 at 9:10 am
lg1970 - Just consider the source…..If it’s not the Cowboys, the Horns or Texas High School Football Playoffs……it doesn’t matter!!! I’m an Easterner who spent some time in the Big D establishing a couple branch locations and the sports coverage in The Morning News drove me nuts (but the women drove me wild!!!!). Hello Grapevine!!!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 9:26 am
D3Forme - one other comment. Looking for balance in a region? Last I looked, Mt. Union lost a regular season game this year fir the first time in about 10 years. Not too many competitive contests during that time either. Along the way, they’ve won 7 national championships, and have only lost in the playoffs. As I recall, their NCAA record 55-game win streak was snapped in 1999, at home, by…..Rowan? In any event, as far as “loaded” regions go, and “balance” is concerned, there isn’t really too much of that in the North, as MU seems to always emerge as the top dog. I guess everyone out there gets excited when they play the perennial champs to a close loss.
December 4th, 2005 at 9:28 am
The Dallas Morning News was once a great newspaper. Without the competition from another great newspaper, the Dallas Times Herald, it has gotten sloppy and careless.
Competition has made the South Region tough. No longer just the province of Pennsylvania football (when the MAC was in the South Region), the South has had another team reach the Semis. Trinity made it in 1999 and 2002, Bridgewater in 2001 and 2003, Hardin-Simmons in 2000, UMHB in 2004 and Wesley in 2005. Seven years, five teams from 4 conferences. That is similar to the balance in the West.
Go Wesley! Carry the South Region banner. (After all, Delaware is on our side of the Mason-Dixon line!
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December 4th, 2005 at 9:37 am
Who cares about Texas, Dallas or the lousy newspaper in that overrated state…..WIAC rules, we’re bigger,faster and stronger, as will be proven 2 more times.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:06 am
Talk all you want about competition being tough in regions, the only thing that matters in the end is the North and West regions have won every title since (Ithaca in) 1991. I will be shocked if it does not come out with a West or North winner again this year!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:07 am
Keep thinking that way Dutchman. Wesley may just convert you yet. Just as it has the Ferrum, MHB and Bridgewater. They all thought they could stop Wesley’s high powered, quick strick offence. They COULDN’T. They all thought the could roll over Wesley’s defence, They COULDN”T.
Maybe you should look at a little deeper into your crystal ball and see the real reason Wesley’s D is on the field so much. Because the offence scores so quickly and often!!!!! Just ask the new Wesley fans of the south!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:09 am
dutchman89
Just to clear up a few things. The ‘99 loss to Rowan ended the Raiders 54 game winning streak that went from “96-99″. That loss was at home. During that run the Raiders managed three Stagg bowl victories in a row.
After that loss, another 55 straight, three more D3 championships and a loss to St John’s in the 03 Stagg. Again we stumbled through the best in D3 during that span.
The Raiders play in one of the toughest conferences in the country and have had plenty of “close games” along the way. We had to play our own conference runner up Saturday after they took out two automatic qualifiers and the No 1 seed in the bracket. It is our curse to be stuck in NE Ohio and forced to compete in the north. Do you think the results would have been different if those Mount teams were in any of the other regions.
Then the complaint would be the East, South or West (pick one)isn’t very balanced and Mount Union is getting another free pass to the Stagg Bowl.
I don’t believe for one minute Rowan is a free pass from the East. It seems to me I am reading the same non-challenged complaints about Rowan coming from East. Could be both teams just might be good!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:36 am
Raiderguy
Tough conference? Just looked at MU scores since 1999. Only 5 regular season games within 14 points. Do I think the results would be different if they played outside Ohio? Probably not - its a great program-likely the best ever in DIII.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:36 am
Ralph Turner - You’re not from around here so a quick geography lesson. Wesley is located in Dover, Delaware……..thought of as a bedroom community of Philadelphia. Most business types move down there for much cheaper real estate and put up with a slighly longer commute to Philadelphia and its’ suburbs. Other than football, Wesley plays all other sports in a conference called the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference where all of the colleges and universities are from Southeastern Pennsylvania.
The roster is made up of primarily PA, NJ, NY and MD residents (and Baltimore/Washington skews much more heavily towards faster paced Eastern standards than the much more laid back South…….believe me, I know the difference having business concerns in many locations in both parts of the country).
I don’t know wher Wesley goes from here……….heavy underdogs against who I believe is the best team in the country…..WW. But Wesley has represented Eastern Football just fine (as has PSU with the big boys!!!!!).
But Ralph…….you can send some of your fine women up here any day of the week!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:42 am
pcole
You spoke about Lewis Howes playing for Principia, and now playing for Capital. I was looking up his name, and the Principia site shows him as a senior last year. It appears he was also a very good DIII Decathalete. How is it that he is playing for Capital this year? Did he graduate from Principia with a year of eligibilty left?
December 4th, 2005 at 10:52 am
I think he was a first semester senior last year.
Odd story — he did the fall at Capital but the spring at Principia last year.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:54 am
Dutchman -
Don’t forget, though, that Albion of the MIAA won a national title in the 90’s.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:06 pm
dutchman89 and the other geniuses who try and reason how the East isn’t the weak stepsister of the 4 regions:
Nice try, but only you and your biased supporters will be the ones who are EVER going to believe what you say. I listed Rowan’s playoff games scores over the last 5 years on last weeks “Immediate thoughts”. They have defeated all but one of their opponents in this region (one narrow loss to Brockport State) by an average of 33 points/game. You talk about how close some of their games were this year. That’s because their top 3 players were out and they were playing on the road Einstein! AND THEY STILL BEAT ALL OF YOUR SORRY ASS TEAMS! That defies comprehension. If they would have had these players these games probably would have been blowouts just like all of the other years. It’s not a slight against Rowan, it’s a slight against all of the other teams in this region. If Rowan was winning national championships that would be one thing, but they’re not. I don’t care if Mt. Union runs through their region when they beat everyone out of it too. If you think you are going to convince anyone who isn’t an East homer that you have a “balanced” region than you are the ones who really have no clue about DIII football.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:16 pm
D3forme - You obviously didn’t read the post at 8:46am this morning about the details of yesterday’s Rowan game. But reading is probably not fundamental for you!!! There is only one champion each year and that team will have proven it on the field regardless of how the brackets are set up. It’s also obvious that your team is gone so you’re just bellyaching about your region (by the way……….Wesley is in the East!!!!!).
Thanks for the compliment about the geniuses in the East…..we do try hard (although most of us don’t have to try as hard!!!). We are in the backyards of the Ivy League as you know. It must be osmosis!!!
D3 may be for you……….but you are not for it!!!! Let me run my business concerns (from here in the East) so I can donate more this year (to several D3 schools) than you make in a year!!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 12:34 pm
dukefinadv, I’ve been making these statements about the East long before my team was ever in the playoffs. Nice last sentence. I think we all now see how classy you are. It would take years for a pyschiatrist to sort through the issues that would make one insecure enough to make a statement like that.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:37 pm
Looks like the sub-title for the UW-W vs. Wesley game next week will be Beaver vs. Beavers…a guy named Beaver(s) will be on the offensive side of the ball almost every play next week…should be a challenge for the radio guys to not confuse us too much…may the best Castor Canadensis win…
December 4th, 2005 at 12:54 pm
d3forme - You knock the East like it really matters. You don’t comment on anything specific. You don’t read the specifics of other posts. You mention Rowan being without their Big 3 (even when they have superior depth to most teams…….especially in the East………and…….it was only Big 2. Their backup RB went for 149 yards against Union). You don’t mention Wesley as an Eastern team nor give them any props for going down to Mary Hardin-Baylor and laying wood. You don’t mention Trinity (CT) and how that team would perform if they saw athletics remotely as important as academics. You don’t mention the ten zillion D1-AA, D2 and D3 programs jammed into the East……which spreads and dilutes the talent. You don’t mention Rowan’s affordability as a public institution (playing against primarily private institutions in the East). You’ve been the one spewing the anti-East venom…..the rest of us are just reacting to what you say. In the spirit of an interesting blog you do a great job!!! In the spirit of a factual debate, this D3 grad (again…..non-playoff school……and it hasn’t hurt me in business) questions what your motives truly are and what they represent. If the true essence of D3 is about academics first and athletics second……..both are a part of the discussion. As far as the psychiatry is involved………I count many of them as clients and many of them as graduates of schools in the Eastern region that you love so much to knock. I don’t mean to get personal but you do a great job of antagonizing…..I guess it’s just the cutthroat, fast paced, academically and professionally successful Eastener in me!!!!! Happy Holidays D3forme and let’s all just enjoy the Final Four!!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 1:05 pm
“I guess it’s just the cutthroat, fast paced, academically and professionally successful Eastener in me!!!!!”
You’re doing a wonderful job in supporting your argument. Keep up the good work.
Oh, and you’re already backtracking by going to the “all of schools out here dilute our talent” card. Hmmm, sounds like you are trying to rationalize why the East is soft, which was my point. Thanks.
December 4th, 2005 at 1:22 pm
Though not really a consolation, it would be nice for the team that knocked Ferrum off to make a run at the D3 Championship. Wesley beat Ferrum and Bridgewater handily and with ease. They are definitely clicking as a team and I hope to see them playing in Salem.
December 4th, 2005 at 1:42 pm
rbrockwell - Just ask D3forme……..Wesley is cursed by being from the intellectually oriented East Coast. They have no chance against WW (just as he said they had no chance against Mary Hardin-Baylor at MHB). Hey D3forme, quick question? Do you know where New Jersey and Delaware fall on the map? Two out of the Final Four from the East!!!Of course you don’t because you never leave the cave you live in and D3 is the only non-porn site that you peruse. And even that has been an issue since your parents put the porn blocker and parental controls on their computer. If you are going to use big words like psychiatrist, please spell it right (your 12:34 post). Geez…….what Ivy League school let you in to get your MBA (mine is from Wharton…….do you know where that is genius?). You also never addressed dutchman89’s post from 8:34 this morning!!
Stagg Bowl prediction………WW over Mount Union by 8
D3foranybodybutyou…………..who wins the Gagliardi?
December 4th, 2005 at 1:57 pm
Looks like the mighty ODAC showed that it is still no better than the other southern conferences-just the beneficiaries of too much respect given to an average conference. It was a forgone conclusion that Wesley was going to win that bracket before things were started, and congratulations to the Wolverines. They have most of the pieces in place, and if they can stay away from the wind (even though it was quite windy Saturday) and rain they may win it all. My guess is that Clark is not running out to schedule Wesley for next season, as most of those players are returning for Wesley next year.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:00 pm
Seriously, dukefinadv and D3forme, please try to use a little sportsmanship. I played at an MIAA school. Maybe we don’t win many playoff games, and maybe our graduates don’t all go on to Ivy League schools, but guess what, on the field we played hard, as do the teams in the East, West, North and South regions. Every D3 athlete plays hard and works hard, and not in that order. Every school should be celebrated.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:00 pm
I think this may be getting out of control. Yet, what I see is the following: d3forme making general comments (with some strong points) and dutchmen/dukefinadv making more specific information based comments(with many strong points). I think d3forme should let this one go, your argument is weak and senseless.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:04 pm
I’m not going to turn this thread into a back and forth argument everyone else has to read this week. This will be my last statement on it. Many people from all the different regions have brought up the weakness of the East for a long time and you know it. We’ll see how Wesley and Rowan fare this Saturday. Again, you do a great job of supporting your argument when you yourself predict they lose by having UWW and Mount Union in the Stagg Bowl. Good grief.
And I always know someone is hurting when they go to the grammar card on a chat board. But since you went there, “on-the-money” is not hyphenated, dude, per Websters or dictionary.com. In-the-money, yes. On-the-money, no. If you are going to point out poster’s writing mistakes, at least don’t make them yourselves. That’s the ultimate sign of the ultimate tool.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:05 pm
cokethom is right on! You guys are all smart and knowledgable, be nice. Just don’t attack the east,west north or south. When you do you really insult all the kids that work hard day in and day out. All college atheletes deserve credit and not insults.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:16 pm
Everyone thought that Cap would get blown out of the water, and they played great. I have a question to anyone who was at this game in person. I was listening to the game on Cap and Mt. radio channels and they both said officiating was poor. Was it really poor? or was it an excuse? Jim collins proved he can coach with anyone. If not for a few rocky pentello interceptions then Cap is playing rowan
December 4th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
cokethom and dlippiel - You are right. I was only on the defensive by originally defending the East. D3forme should host a sports talk show in the East where the job is to get the listeners incited enough to call. I’ve enjoyed the banter and, quite frankly, it’s refreshing to see while there may not be a ton of us blogging on the site……..the interest in D3 football does excite me. I played at a D3 school that dropped the sport due to the academic types getting their way…..Swarthmore College (go to the website…..yes, I’m an intellectual geek!!!!……but only pull out the academic sword when attacked!!!). I respect all student-athletes (in that order!!), all programs in all regions. Regional hierarchy in D3 football ranks a few notches below issues with the BCS and quietly paying athletes at the D1 level……..and just slightly above the importance of the status of Jessica and Nick’s marriage. But as unimportant as it is relative to kids younger than us protecting our backsides around the world and on our home turf (while we enjoy our daily riches!!) and children starving throughout the world…….it’s nice to have an outlet to express views. I’m done with the negativity and academic/professional bravado as well (unless my brethren starts it up again!!). My prediction for the Stagg has nothing to do with Eastern inferiority…….it’s picking the two higher ranked home teams (including the one who beat the #1 team in the country on their home field yesterday!!).
Time to go make my travel plans for the week including a Saturday stopover in the mid-east (had to do that d3forme!!!) to see Mount Union!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 2:59 pm
I’ve enjoyed the banter as well. Finally something we can agree on! I’m done with this topic as well. When I start up my radio show (although I couldn’t have it physically in the East because I would be severely maimed!), you can be my first guest, dukefinadv. I think the ratings would go through the roof. Best of luck to the 4 remaining squads and hopefully no more injuries to any of the teams.
December 4th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
D3forme - You got it buddy!!! I’ll take you up on being your first guest anytime. I’m probably done blogging until after next Saturday’s games. By the way, if you want to hear a typical East Coast idiot (Philadelphia) doing controversial sports talk, check out http://www.610wip.com from 3:00pm to 7:00pm. It’s the Philadelphia sports talk station. They will be putting 20,000 people in the Wachovia Center (where the Sixers and Flyers play) at 5:30am (the tailgaiting starts the night before) on the Friday before the Superbowl to watch a wing eating contest along with dozens of scantily clad women (the Wingettes of course). Only in America!!!!
Talk to you down the pike D3forme!! And best of luck to the Final Four!!
December 4th, 2005 at 3:23 pm
Looks like the mighty ODAC showed that it is still no better than the other southern conferences-just the beneficiaries of too much respect given to an average conference.
Man, must be something in the air today!!! As cokethom says, we should be celebrating these athletes and their schools, not slamming them. The ODAC is a fine conference. Not quite sure what you mean by overrated. Bridgewater had a great season!! I’m sure there are teams from many conferences out there would love to make it to the 3rd round. Overrated!!! H-SC baseball / 05 College World Series, R-MC women’s basketball / 05 national runner up, Bridgewater football / national runner up a few years back, H-SC basketball / 1 final four, 1 national runner up in recent years. R-MC has been solid in mens basketball in recent years. I’m sure I have left a few off but these are just a few that come to mind.
Now back to football!! Should be a great final 4.
W-W over over Wesley in a close one.
Mt. Union over Rowan in a close one.
W-W over Mt. Union in a close one.
I know, a real risk taker I am,
And for the record, I didn’t say this is who I wanted to win, just what my gut is telling me. GO UNDERDOGS!!
December 4th, 2005 at 3:54 pm
Raiderguy - Great post, but just to let you know, Cap played 1 AQ (Wabash). NCC was an at-large team that finished 2nd in the CCIW (Augustana was the AQ).
caprules70 - I am not sure why you stated, “If not for a few rocky pentello interceptions then Cap is playing rowan?” I believe Pentello put up 300+ against the number 2 rated defense in the country, and 4 td’s! Plus, he had only 1 interception. If you want to blame someone on the loss, there are a lot of others, not just the qb (i.e., the entire defense for the 34 that was put on them, the o-line for not picking up the blitz in the final minutes of the 4th quarter, etc.). I don’t think there was one Cap player or coach that walked away blaming their qb for the loss. This is a team game, you win as a team and you loose as a team. The MUC-Cap game might have been one of the best games I have witnessed in D3, the bad thing about the whole situation was someone had to loose the f-ball game.
December 4th, 2005 at 5:15 pm
Hey, don’t know the Wing Bowl until you’ve tried it…it’s one of those things that you should really experience before commenting…
December 4th, 2005 at 5:15 pm
Rather…don’t knock the Wing Bowl…till you’ve tried it.
December 4th, 2005 at 5:56 pm
Yep and this year all new contestants in the Virgin Wing Bowl. Pat maybe we could start a eating contest before the Stagg. Oh no we couldn’t .., No one could agree on the food to gorge on!!!
December 4th, 2005 at 7:05 pm
It is a spectacle to end all spectacles…I was there for Wing Bowl X, Tournament of Champions…oh the humanity.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:14 pm
dukefinadv–I understand Delaware. That is where every Fortune 500 company in the world is incorporated! LOL And one of the best things that I ever did for the lovely bride was to spend a day at the du Pont place, Winterthur.
As for the next shake-up in conferences, I expect the SUNYAC will evaluate its stance on football if SUNY-Morrisville has football. That would give it 4 members: Brockport, Buffalo, Cortland and Morrisville. I could imagine it moving to sponsor the sport for an AQ. That would leave the NJAC and the SUNYAC to seeking affiliates/new members, e.g., Wesley? Salisbury? Frostburg? SUNY-Maritime?
I guess that Wesley must be basking in all of the love that it is getting, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ferrum, Bridgewater and even parts of NJ! LOL!
bvboom, the geography doesn’t work. Eight of the 10 ASC schools are farther west longitude that the westernmost school in the WIAC. As I look at intercollegiate athletics in Wisconsin and follow its development over the past 3-plus decades, the Wisconsin State University Conference migrated from the NAIA to D3 NCAA. The Lone Star Conference moved from dominating the NAIA in football in the 1970’s to the NCAA’s 3 divisions: D1 for (Southwest) Texas State, Sam Houston St and Stephen F Austin State; D-2 for Angelo State, TAMU-Commerce (the old East Texas State) TAMU-Kingsville (the old Texas A&I) and Tarleton State; and D-3 for McMurry, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State.
The UW-W has had a good run. This should be interesting. There won’t be a cold weather advantage for UW-W vs. Wesley as there might have been with UMHB.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:14 pm
All I have to say is the Wing Bowl is one of the greatest events in Philly. You must go and yes, the tail gating starts the night before. Then after the wing bowl everyone goes to the bar afterwards. Two years ago I went and was partying for over 24hrs straight. Enough about the Wing Bowl.
People love to talk about the East bracket like we are the worst. Who else has beaten Mt. Union in Alliance…I know the profs did cause I was there. I took the 5 hour hike across Pennsy to Ohio. One of the best games I have ever witnessed. I just wonder about thier fan base. Being from a Philly Burb my whole life I know what it is to be a fan (Yes I am an Eagles fan, the best fans in the world of proffesional sports.) At the 99 Rowan, Mt Union game about 100 Rowan fans was louder than the 3000+ fans from Mt. Union. How does that happen?
If any team has a chance to beat Mt. Union in Alliance, it is the Profs. We are the Beast of the East and never get any respect. Rowan is down to RB’s and a QB. We almost loss our #2 WR this week. We are always a beat up team but know how to get the job done. I hope everyone here has heard “Offenses wins games, Defenses wins championships” (if you haven’t heard that or something close you shouldn’t be reading any of these comments” Rowan’s defense is one of the best I have seen there since 98. Yes I said 98, the defense was better in 98 than 99. Rowan will beat Mt. Union and be taking the trip to Salem, Va. We should have been there in 01 but the refs in the Bridgewater game had some home cooking of there own.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:17 pm
Oh yeah, one more thing I forgot to mention. Does anyone know what happened to Trinity TX. From my memory it was always Mt. Union from the North, Rowan from the east, Trinity TX from the south and some random from the west? Did they get new coaches or something.
K.C. Keeler never could win the stagg bowl for rowan but when he moved to U Del. he could win the DI AA (or AAA, can’t remember right now cause it is a sunday during football season) championship. Jay Acorsi, now it is your time to put the Keeler era behind you and start your own.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
UW-Whitewater is a determined, talented team that isn’t going to back down against any team, no matter what region they come from. The Warhawks have one of the most potent offenses in D3. Jacobs is re-writing the record books for a QB at UWW and Beaver is one of the top rushers in the nation. With 2 extremely talented WRs (plus good depth) and a weapon at TE, Whitewater has proven that they can put up the points with the best of them, just ask Linfield. On the defensive side they are solid with a number of playmakers. Brown, Raebel and Kleppe always rise to the occassion and they have shown that they are not afraid of any offense.
Stagg Bowl: UW-Whitewater 31, Mt. Union 27
December 4th, 2005 at 9:38 pm
Hey dirtycheme…What’s Rowan’s over-all record against Mount? What is Rowan’s record against Mount in the Stagg Bowl? I rest my case. Also, by the way…I was also at the Rowan game when they beat Mount and if you really want people to believe that your 1000 fans were louder then the 3-4,000 Mount fans, nice try…..not even close to the truth. I don’t mind anyone having their opinion, cause that’s what we all do, but don’t distort the facts….and another fact….WE’RE GOING TO BEAT YOU AGAIN THIS WEEKEND…..I GUARENTEE IT !! Mount Union 28, Rowan 17……Out !!!
December 4th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
Oh…I just realized something after reading dirtycheme again. He said that 100 Rowan fans were louder than the 3-4,ooo Raider fans. Oh my Lord…what are you thinking?…You were right though on that huge fan base that made it to Alliance, OH that day….about 100. Boy, what a following !! Do you think you guys might bring 150 this time around? Whatever the case, it’ll be a LONG ride home, especially for Jay Acorsi, he’ll find himself 0-1 against Mount…but don’t worry…there are many DIV III coaches out their who haven’t beaten Mount….in the Stagg Bowl that is……….ROWAN !!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
i haven’t read your last one yet just wanted to respond. who won the last time we met. You are dreaming if you think that MU will beat rowan. we have the heart and determination to beat you. I took a few walks around the 99 game and all I heard was rowan fans cheering. It seemed your fans didn’t know what to do in a close game except get nervous (like your team did) Wait till you see our Dfense and you will be amazed. I wish I could go sat. but will definatly be listening.
Rowan 21, Mt. Union 20
December 4th, 2005 at 10:15 pm
Dirtycheme,
The best team won Bridgewater-Rowan game in 2001. The other team went home to New Jersey.
I am sure we will still be having this conversation sixty years on.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:15 pm
The Stagg Bowl matchup in 98 was horrible, I will agree. And yes Mt. Union has the best program for the last 10 years, (I don’t know much of D3 football before 95) and then Rowan was still Glassboro State College. Rowan will make it to the Stagg Bowl, but them like my Eagles (and the truth hurts) can’t finish what they started. You won’t be able to stop our defense, and if remember 99, it was our defense that won that game.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:15 pm
Hey Warhawk fan…what’s your prediction for this week.
It isn’t a bye, you know.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
pakownr97,
The best team did not win. Why was it on ESPN about the last play that shouldn’t have happened. On ESPN it was stated that Bridgewater should concede the loss allowing Rowan to go to the Stagg bowl. Also they said that they hope that the head coach from bridgewater never gets a position in anything more than D3 football.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:19 pm
The best team won. Live with it.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:21 pm
Its ALL in fun….Good Luck Saturday dirtycheme…..BIGMUCFAN !!
December 4th, 2005 at 10:28 pm
I can almost hear the surging flow of testosterone and the chest pounding….gorilla warfare (pun intended)…
December 4th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
pakownr, I have lived with it for the last few years and don’t dwell on it either. I was just making a point.
bigmucfan,
The reason that rowan fans don’t make the voyage out to ohio is because it is Ohio. Who really wants to go there? When I went in 99 they had billboards of how they now have atm machines. Do they have internet yet or are they still 5 years behind. (I don’t know if anyone else is laughing but I crack myself up) Don’t worry it is all in good fun. Good luck. See you next year. Rowan conisders you our rival not anyone in the NJAC, as far as football is concered.
One thing that bugs me is that no one gives Rowan any credit when we are always one of the top teams in the country.
THE BEAST OF THE EAST IS BACK!!! (and out for blood)
December 4th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
lg1970, what’s your predictions.
I hope people aren’t taking me too seriously, except the fact that Rowan will beat the “Purple Raiders” (yeah that sounds manly)
December 4th, 2005 at 10:36 pm
As per what’s the record between rowan/mt. union. Please correct me if I am wrong but Mt. Union leads 5-1? not sure but think that is correct.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:38 pm
Judging from my performance in the pick em contest, my predictions won’t carry much weight, but…..here goes…..
Mount Union over Rowan
W-W over Wesley (closer than most people might think)
December 4th, 2005 at 10:43 pm
I had to ask. Is there anyone else out there that thinks Rowan will win?
I hope wesley wins and we can have a delaware valley (that is the area where both schools are from, not the school itself) Stagg Bowl.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:47 pm
dirtycheme,
If Rowan does win, then they win my “overachiever” award. I say that not because they don’t have the talent but only because of all the injuries they have suffered.
My Little Giants bowed out last week, so I’m just enjoying the survivors play some great football. Good luck to the Profs…..and the Wolverines, Warhawks, and Purple Raiders.
December 5th, 2005 at 12:31 am
I keep seeing all these scores for the Stagg bowl. You people keep thinking that way!!! BUT if your teams think that way it may be the score for the consolation bowl… You underestimate Wesley and Rowan shame on you…. All you are doing is feeding the fire at Wesley.. I don’t know about Rowan but the Wesley players are feeding off your disrepecting them. I won’t sit here and predict a Wesley romp. I think they will play better than some of you are thinking. Just read what the fans from their last three games have said and take heed..
December 5th, 2005 at 12:48 am
I agree with you PA_wesleyfan. Wesley has done an outstanding job this year. Nobody, even the so called experts, didn’t think they’d get this far…but I’m sure Wesley themselves thought they would. No reason why they can’t produce another upset special in beating WW. I’m really not sure that it would be considered an upset at this point. Good luck….if they were to win, make it to the Stagg Bowl and win it….that would be a great story in Div III Football this year. Again, good luck !! Wouldn’t it be something to see Wesley and Rowan….two teams that haven’t really been given alot of respect, by me included……..maybe its — shame on me !! Later…..
December 5th, 2005 at 7:08 am
PA-Wesleyfan
Wesley’s recent run has been nothing short of amazing and unexpected. No disrespect intended, but people’s doubts about this team are based on both its lack of any credible playoff history and the team’s 47-0 loss at the hands of a mediocre Brockport St. team late in the season. I think most people are wondering when they’re going to lay that egg again, expecially since it appears W-W has an offense that can’t be stopped.
As for unstoppable offenses, a classic battle of titans is shaping up in Alliance this weekend, as the prolific MU “O”, takes on Rowan’s vaunted “D”, which has, through turnovers and second-half stinginess in the last two weeks, kept them alive. Can they pull another rabbit out of their hat? We’ll see.
My prediction - and I’ll step out on a limb here. Either MU wins, perpetuating the preceptive demise of the East, or Rowan wins, and the trash spewed on these threads will reach an all-time high. In any event, and notwithstanding the banter, I hope the young men on both sides put on a memorable show.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:25 am
dirtycheme
It is a good thing you didn’t make it to the Stagg in 2001. To suffer another loss at the hands of the Raiders and a record of 1-6 ytd. Oh the shame.
dutchman89
I am confused. Your prediction????? You picked both schools to win. No chance to miss on that prediction.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:40 am
I hope UWW isnt riding too high off of this weeks win over Linfield. They do need to take this game as seriously as the last one. If they do, and have a good game, it will be a complete blowout. Again, that is confidence in my team, and my thinking that the only other good team in d-3 was linfield. If they have a poor game on offense, only then will it be close. Go Warhawks!
UWW wins by 14
Mt. Union wins by 10
December 5th, 2005 at 10:54 am
UWW-fan5,
Are you serious? If you truly think that Linfield and Whitewater are the only two good teams in DIII then you are truly an idiot. Whitewater and Linfield are both strong teams, no doubt about it. The confidence in your team seems to influenced by ignorance as well.
GO Wesley and GO Raiders!
December 5th, 2005 at 11:00 am
I knew UW Whitewater was going to win that game. They are the toughest team from the toughest conference, and they are going to win it all. Has anyone in the playoffs this year had to play the kind of competition they have? NO!
UW Whitewater 44 - Wesley 27
Mt Onion 35 - Rowan 21
UW Whitewater 35 - Mt Onion 21
Mt Onion is clearly one of the best teams in the country - no doubt abaout that (every year for that matter), but this year is the year that UW Whitewater wins it all, and does it by having the toughest road to the Championship!
December 5th, 2005 at 11:01 am
I think you are downplaying the complete dominance of those two teams. No one has or will come close to either of those schools, except for when they played each other. mlusk, tell me what team could hang with those two schools. You can tell me your opinion without me calling you an “idiot,” so you dont have to worry about that. I’ll just think your wrong.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:07 am
SeanGOP,
We all will find out soon enough. I’m not bringing my Mount Union bias into this discussion. The earlier comment about there being only two good teams in DIII was borderline insane.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:22 am
Then who are the other teams that can compete with those guys?
December 5th, 2005 at 11:34 am
I have not seen Whitewater play this year. I am not sying that they are going to lose. Maybe they are unbeatable this year, I doubt it. I hope that Mount Union gets a chance to play Whitewater. I’m just hoping that Mount and Whitewater make it to Salem, that is where the Stagg Bowl is played.
There were a lot of people who thought Linfield was unbeatable also. I am not knocking Whitewater. I would just like to see how Mount Union does against them if the earn the opportunity.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:38 am
Ralph Turner
How many D3 players do the Texas schools have or have they had in the NFL-
WSUC/WIAC-in the past 20 years has had more than the rest of D3 schools, not in just Texas, but in the country. One of which, Tom Newberry UW LaCrosse ‘85, went to more NFL Pro Bowls than any D3 player in history. If your Texas schools had to run the gauntlet that is the WIAC they’d be lucky to win 7 games every year.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:49 am
Ralph,
Don’t you just love this “my state can beat up your state” mentality?
December 5th, 2005 at 12:24 pm
Too much cheese makes you……(fill in the blank)
December 5th, 2005 at 12:53 pm
The best team won Bridgewater-Rowan game in 2001. The other team went home to New Jersey
pakownr97,
I am an ODAC fan, and the Eagles had an outstanding team in 2001. They demonstrated that on the field all year long. Even though I admit that I am an H-SC fan, once it gets past conf. play my philosophy is lets keep it in the family. BUT, you have to admit BC got a HUGE break in that ballgame. Perhaps they were the “better” team that day. I don’t know. It is a shame that something the Eagle players had nothing to do with will keep popping up as a jab to a great team that had a great run.
dirty,
As I mentioned above, no question BC got a huge break that day. I don’t know about what ESPN said but I doubt there are many coaches in the entire country on any level that would concede the game. It may sound good to talk about doing that but I’m not certain it is fair to make Coach Clark the villain. Unfortunately, it is one of those bad deals in life that you have to chalk up to “character building”. Playing on a D3 team with an under 50% winning record, I have lots of extra character if anyone needs to borrow any.
I do remember that day well and even though I am not a Rowan fan, I did feel for them that day.
December 5th, 2005 at 12:55 pm
“Go Wesley! Carry the South Region banner. (After all, Delaware is on our side of the Mason-Dixon line! ) ”
Ralph if you go to this link you will find that Delaware is actually on the North side of the Mason-Dixon line, they made us take Delaware, but I will sell it to you cheap. I can package it with the Brooklyn Bridge for a great deal.
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa041999.htm
December 5th, 2005 at 1:18 pm
Thanks, Knight! I will bookmark that reference!
December 5th, 2005 at 1:26 pm
bvboom-
re”One of which, Tom Newberry UW LaCrosse ‘85, went to more NFL Pro Bowls than any D3 player in history.”
Chris Warren (Ferrum College) went to the pro-bowl in 93,94, and 95.
Tom Newberry went to 2- 88 and 89 ??
December 5th, 2005 at 2:33 pm
That Rowan team in ‘01 had the most explosive offensive I have ever seen (in person, yes Linefield is great)in D-III. It’s not fair to call Clark a villian, but Rowan was better. In my opinion, they would have beat Mount that year. But the more talented team doesn’t always win. That’s what’s so great about any playoff system from D-III to March Madness—-upsets!
December 5th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
Ya’ll forget the gift call that Rowan got early in the fourth quater of the 2001 final four game. BC running back Devon Cruz broke the plane of the goal to score, but no wait the refs failed to give it to him. With that call, BC would have been up 30-24 going into the final two minutes when the clock came into question. The calls and clock evened out and the better team went to Salem.
December 5th, 2005 at 4:09 pm
To all the People who are comparing the great Division3 teams. None compare to The Mt. Union Team that beat Lycoming. Borchert had QB Ratings higher than the Heisman Trophy winner that year. Anyhow, Until you Appear in 8 Games in a 12 year span. Just root hard for your team and hope they don’t play The Raiders.
December 5th, 2005 at 5:20 pm
Have Mt.Union fans always been this cocky? You all better pray that Rowan does not beat you this weekend! Pray hard because if Rowan wins all you Mt.Union fans will look stupid. Best of all you will deserve it! I also bet Mt.Unions players are not underestimating Rowan. As a matter of fact I bet they are working extra hard in their preparation. Why? because they know the truth, that Rowan is a solid, top, national program that deserves respect. People should stop putting them down becasue their line up is missing key players but praising them because they are still winning without them. Mt.Union and Rowan are great teams with great great players and whomever wins they will both continue to be top DIII programs. With that said LETS GO ROWAN! You are being trash talked left and right. Use this as motivation and go out there and take your respect.
December 5th, 2005 at 5:30 pm
Before the discussion continues about Wisconson-Whitewater being the
dominant team from the dominant conference..you need to know that the number one ranked team in D-3 as far as strength of schedule was Wesley. If the field conditions are decent and they are able to showcase Larry Beavers and Marcus Lee in the passing game..I think you guys are in for a ballgame..but hey congrats to all of the final 4 teams..no matter who wins..we the fans win by watching three more great games..
December 5th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
For what it’s worth, the late Sam Mills (Montclair State alum) went to five Pro Bowls.
December 5th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Dutchman
I am not going to beat a dead horse here again about the Brockport game. It has been rehashed many times on the boards. Wesley has had good teams for years so that argument is null. In fact they have not had a losing season in years. It also appears that WW didn’t stop Linfield from passing much either so maybe the score will be 100-99!!!! LIKe I have stated before keep believing that wesley has no D !!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
RIGG0123-
Chris Warren was a transfer from D1 UVA, nice try knucklehead.
WIAC has and always will have the best players in D3.
p.s. WIAC is toughest and best D3 conference.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:17 pm
Ya’ll forget the gift call that Rowan got early in the fourth quater of the 2001 final four game. BC running back Devon Cruz broke the plane of the goal to score, but no wait the refs failed to give it to him. With that call, BC would have been up 30-24 going into the final two minutes when the clock came into question. The calls and clock evened out and the better team went to Salem.
Religion,
I wasn’t at that ballgame so I take your word for it. That’s the problem with saying one particular play, bad call, etc. cost a team the ballgame. The timekeeper mistake was huge, should have never happened, and stood out because it was near the end of the game. That is what most people (especially Rowan faithful) will remember. Did it cost them the ball game? Who knows. I’ll bet in that game as in most, there were many key plays and close calls that could have swung the tide one way or the other. That debate could go on forever. Whatever the case may be, both programs have demonstrated since then that they are class programs and continue to be successful.
Speaking of debates, I’ll bet the farm that no matter who wins in Salem, this blog will be full of post claiming their team is better giving all kinds of reasons why. Funny thing, they could be right because as Conrad already said, the best team doesn’t always win. I’m sure that W-W, Rowan, MUC, or Wesley will have a terrible trip home from Salem with the Nat’l Championship trophy on board wondering if they are really the best team.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:24 pm
Rowan continues to get trashed because they continue to choke in the playoffs. Until you’ve won it all you’re going to continue to get trashed upon. Your teams get close and choke…thats been their MO. They’re like the Buffalo Bills of years ago. Go to the Super Bowl, only TO LOSE !! Respect is earned and Mount Union has (7)……count them, seven National Championship banners….when Rowan gets just one….I’ll admit it…I’ll give them respect…but NOT until. New coach….but same old Rowan. OUT !!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:27 pm
Ya…the WIAC is the toughest conference in D3. That’s why their record in D3 playoffs is what….6-7. Give me a break !!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:29 pm
PA-Wesleyfan,
Anyone that is willing to fault WW for not stopping Linfields passing game has not had the pleasure of watching Brett Elliot toss the pigskin!! He is amazing with the football. Incredibly quick and accurate release! The ball is gone before you blink! Timing with WR’s was outstanding. I thank God he only had 42 seconds to win the game and the WW defense stood firm! The only way to beat that team was to match them offensively point fot point and get a few more which WW was able to do!! As for WW’s defense, remember there was one defensive touchdown and another was set up by a defensive play. Now for the first time in 2 weeks, WW is not considered the underdog. I don’t think we want to give up that role!!! It has been working for us!! LOL
December 5th, 2005 at 6:30 pm
Oh baby! I knew it wouldn’t take long for someone to bring up the fact that Chris Warren was a UVA transfer. I’m not even getting into that debate. That whole D1 transfer thing has been debated enough in recent weeks. I will say this though. That Ferrum backfield with Warren, Stoval, and I believe Coles was the third was the best D3 (or should I say non D3)backfield I have ever seen by far. And wasn’t Coles a VT transfer? The poor Ferrum QB couldn’t hold on to the ball that year and Union “upsets” them in the playoffs.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:34 pm
Mt. Union fans can afford to be COCKY. Remember, its their program who has WON the last (7) out of (11) National Titles. Until you can get your first….BACK OFF !!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
Ahh, well, you heard it straight from the horse’s (big) mouth. Nobody is allowed to talk without Walnut and Bronze.
… gonna get awful quiet around here.
Seriously, though, when you’re in brackets with Linfield, St. John’s and Mount Union the past few years, what else do you expect from the WIAC? It’s almost as if you didn’t read that story I wrote that was linked off the front page last week.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:39 pm
I wouldn’t say Mount Union can be cocky, but what they have done is pretty amazing. It’s right up there with Kalamazoo tennis in the MIAA and Kenyon swimming.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:44 pm
Don’t blame Mt. Union for the brackets….they have NO CONTROL on where they’re put. They only CONTROL what they can control…that is who they are playing that particular week. I’m not saying that the WIAC is not a good conference, I just don’t think that its the BEST D3 has to offer. If Capital was in another bracket….maybe they would be in the National Championship with Mount. This would prove my point that the OAC is the strongest conference in D3…..just my opinion of course !!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:51 pm
Hey pcole….when you’re in a bracket with Linfield, Mount or St Johns, you’re supposed to try and WIN !! If the competition is too tough, then get out of the kitchen. Just face the facts,…you couldn’t compete back then…period !! Is the Dynasty over at Mount, only time will tell. We’ll all just have to see in the next (2) weeks. Good luck !!!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 6:55 pm
I competed just fine. I’m not a WIAC fan, I’m just the publisher of the site.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:14 pm
Dutchman you have’t seen Warrick to Beavers or Lee or Gore or Nelson or Barnes or or or .. Me thinks you protest to much!!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
What fun! My best to all fans of all these four great teams. But I think I may have the best reason of all for wanting a Mount Union vs. Whitewater Stagg Bowl. My wife and I are both graduates of Mount Union (’63 and ‘64) and our son is a graduate of UW-Whitewater (’92). We think it is possible that we’re the only parent/child combination of these two wonderful schools, and thus our family cannot lose in a Purple Raider/Warhawk game. So we’re hoping for the matchup. And yes, we Raider fans are rather cocky. But remember, when my wife and I were in school, the Raiders were snuggly nestled right smack down a the bottom of the conference, keeping Hiram good company. So what the hell! Go Raiders; Go Warhawks! In other words, GO PURPLE!
December 5th, 2005 at 8:49 pm
raiderwarhawk….that is really cool. Do you, your wife and son have an wagers???? How about one does the others laundry for a week or month (lol).
December 5th, 2005 at 8:54 pm
Sorry Ditchman
my last post should have been for WIAC Watcher
December 5th, 2005 at 9:10 pm
Bigmucfan….
Just remember you do not represent all Mount Fans…. And Everyone else should remember that as well…. I, for one, am a big MUC supporter and have a nephew that starts at DE. However, even though we have 7 titles… there are always room for more and in that process there are many VERY GOOD teams that want to duplicate those accomplishments…
But I must say… with 10 straight National Semi-Finals… it is hard for me to say that any team is better over the same period of time..
That does not make me cocky.. That makes me proud.. VERY PROUD…
but as a MUC supporter this tradition is hard not to expect year in and year out… to be honest… other teams just do not know what it is like… it is hard not to expect success…. therefore it is a hard comparison to compare other teams the same…
Bigmucfan… just don’t make the rest of us look bad… We (as most MUC supporters) respect every team for their accomplishments…
Also, all this conference talk is junk… Isn’t this why we have the playoffs… To crown a true champion… At this point… conferences do not mean anything… it is who walks away with the Walnut and Bronze that matters… It’s just that this conference trash talk is getting and has been mentioned over… and over… and over again…
we will all see who is the BEST TEAM on the 17th….
Good Luck to all… But primarily… GO RAIDERS!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:13 pm
Caveat emptor!
Past results are no guarantee of future performance. But I’m waiting for someone to put it on the line like Joe Willy did pre-Super Bowl III. Any takers?
December 5th, 2005 at 9:13 pm
mikeb525 - Gotcha !!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:16 pm
I was really just trying to get something started. Gets things heated, if you know what I mean. I apoligize if I offended anyone….seriously !!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:24 pm
Pa_Wesleyfan,
You want to compare your offense with WW and Linfield, Have at it!!
NCAA Total Offense as of 11/26.
#8 Linfield
#9 UWW
Unranked in the top 35 Wesley
December 5th, 2005 at 9:33 pm
Just for the record….if anyone cares…Mount is #1 with 543.1 yards per game and #2 in Total Defense giving up 198 yards per game. Just if anyone cares !! OUT….
December 5th, 2005 at 9:42 pm
That came out harsher than I meant it to. Still learning about your team and conference but you have some impressive wins in the play-offs so far. I was just giving Linfield’s Brett Elliot his due because he made me a fan. It was not meant to take away from WW. They have an incredible offense as well and the points Linfield put up does nothing to deminish that. It was the #1 against the #2 afterall!!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
bigmucfan.
Just for the record. St. Johns was 3rd in total defense when they played UWW and without the punt-return fumble giving them the ball on the 30, it probably would have been a shut out!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:52 pm
and they gave up 34 to WW……
December 5th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
wiac watcher…
I understand what you’re saying…really I do….but I’m not impressed with St. Johns schedule to justify #3 defense in Div III. Either
December 5th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
wiac watcher, if UWW does go on to win it all and Linfield was their toughest game, it’s really too bad the rest of the country wasn’t able to see a game like this on ESPN in a couple of weeks. Could you imagine the nationwide reaction to everyone being able to watch a guy throw for over 500 yards and 5 TDs with 3 receivers having 140 yards or more? And Beaver’s performance running for 200 yards and another 300 passing for the UWW QB and WRs on the other side? And with all that offense, sounds like some great defensive stands late in the game for those who love defense. I bet it would have been an unbelievable game to have on national television, providing it would have been the same sort of outburst in Virginia.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:56 pm
Either WW has a hell of an offense or St. Johns defense was over-rated based on their schedule….just an opinion.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:57 pm
I don’t mind a heated argument…. but lets not look disrespectful… the best way to heat thing up is with facts…. like 7-National Championships …. 10 striaght Semi-Apprearances… #1 Offensive Yards doesn’t hurt either….. Just remember…. the “What If” factor always applies… Cockiness will get us (as proud MUC Fans) nowhere….
Rowan is no pushover… And Everyone in D3 is out to knock-off MUC…. and unfortunately… it has happened 2 straight years….
Let’s just hope that we win and everyone (including Rowan stay healthy) …. I will definately be great competition…. GO RAIDERS!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
Should of’s and would of’s are only good in horseshoes….is that how it goes. Offense is great, but you still win championships with DEFENSE !!
December 5th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
bigmucfan….
Let’s hope that our pass defense is better this week… we got burned for alot of pass yards last week… mainly to #10 and #17 of CAP… Two great players there… Boy that was a great game… good thing we stepped it up in the 4th quarter… alot more pressure on the QB… who is pretty good himself…
However, it is hard to stop our O… we have so much depth at all positions… pass… run… could you imagine both Kmic and Robinson in the backfield together… wow!!! that would/will be impressive… I can’t wait to see that….
December 5th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
First time on and a lover of Linfield football! Anyways great game UW-W, you guys are good but there is nothing that has convinced me that you guys are the better TEAM! MIkeb525, yeah ten straight Semi appearances are nice but sorry fella’s, you gotta admit that none of you guys can touch “THE STREAK” that Linfield has compiled of 50 consecutive winning seasons. In that period we also won 4 national championships to go with that (3 NAIA/DII, 1 DIII)!! Linfield, The Most consistent and best program of All!!
December 5th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
d3forme,
Words do not discribe what an incredible game that was to watch! It was the greatest game I have ever seen and many say the same. It is a crime that the top 2 teams go at it for a regional final and not a national final but the stupidity of the NCAA is old news! 10 or 11 lead changes, (depending on the newspaper you read) and over 1000 yards of offense and yes, some great defensive plays as well!! Hell, yes, it should have been on ESPN. It is a shame that that game wasn’t shared with everyone who loves the game of football!!
Congrats to the Whitewater Warhawks. For the first time in NCAA history, a single team has a 3000 yard passer, 2000 yard rusher and two wide receivers gaining over 1000 yards at any division level!!!
December 5th, 2005 at 10:38 pm
wiac watcher, I’m with you. I think that would have been the ideal game to show just how talented these players are and how exciting DIII football is for those who don’t already know it and only see it once a year on ESPN. Instead of 10’s of thousands (or maybe 100’s of thousands - I don’t know how many people watch the Stagg on ESPN) of football fans witnessing it, only a few thousand Oregonians and a couple hundred Wisconsonites saw it. Thanks a lot NCAA, you may have done everyone the ultimate disservice this season with your ridiculous seedings. Hopefully, this year’s Stagg will be entertaining, there have been some good ones the last few years.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
Wow…. I never knew that… 50 seasons… Very Impressive…. I don’t know history very well… did MUC even have football then…. lol
but 54 and 55 in a row ain’t bad either… Many teams, no matter how good, could only dream of such a “STREAK” As competition gets closer and MORE D3 schools get better…. I honestly (not bias) don’t see those happening again…
Linfield could have a losing season… and in 20 years it could be beaten.. I think that the consecutive win “STREAK” is virtually untouchable…
Just like yourself to our team… I have not been impressed with Linfield myself… In the short term.. Great Players, but might will you be in a few years.. Hopefully not for Linfield’s sake, becuase they have a good program… but probably back in the playoffs and win a game or two.. but not to the Semi’s every year… I was just saying it is an impressive STREAK and that you must make arguments/discussions with facts…. just like yourself…
BS trash talk…. is too easy…. ya know..
December 5th, 2005 at 11:07 pm
Mikeb525, just like you guys we have a very large and successful program with lots of talented kids coming in! We had something like 180 guys try out for the team and had to cut about 50! It’s definitely not a one man team, and trust me, I don’t think we’ll be like SJU and have a lackluster season after a great run like 23 straight wins!
December 5th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
Mike,
If you’re not that impress with Linfield then nobody besides Mount must impress you…..44-3 over the past four years at Linfield isn’t too bad…..and it’s not like Linfield plays in the east bracket during the playoffs either.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:37 pm
I must admit….after reading a lot of these Mt. Union posts, you guys really are a bunch of dorks…..I’m not saying Rowan will win. Far from it. But jeeze, they have gone against every single odd that has been tossed at them. When Mike Orihel when down in the regular season, they went to a sophomore QB with little experience (Joe Rankin). They had to win 2 tough games on the road, one of which in the snow and another a come from behind victory after a 14 point deficit. In the snow game, they lost their #1 back who is a major aspect of that Rowan offense (Encarnacion)….
It’ll be a tough road game for Rowan to beat, no doubt about that. Just take a look at Linfield last year, who deserved to win the Stagg Bowl. But Rowan is resilient. During the regular season, beating a D1AA school in OT in the fashion they did was near impossible feat.
So if Rowan wins, awesome. If they don’t, then they don’t. But for the love of God and all that is Holy, you Mt. Union fans (who from what I read here can be as obnoxious as Yankees fans) should really just take it graciously and not be the “In your face.’
I read an earlier post that was true: I can guarantee Mt. Union is thinking in the back of their minds ‘99 and have studied how Rowan has been this year. They are going to respect and not underestimate Rowan and vice versa.
December 5th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
no..no… I’m not putting down the Linfield program… or any program for that matter… I’m simply stating that recently MUC has been the team to beat… I feel that 50 consecutive winning seasons is amazing… I would have never even looked at it over the long term… I was looking at how things are now..
I was simply making the argument that you just don’t trash talk to trash talk… Trash talk with facts… and the fact is that MUC has been the team to beat recently.. and someone… whether it be Rowan, Wesley or Whitewater has to beat MUC… MHB did it last year and Ohio Northern did it earlier this year…. This is football… Anything can happen…
O.K. So, let’s look at another streak…. USC has won 30 something in a row and counting… And for the same argument, I don’t see that happening again for a long time…. like I said, competition is too close and it get closer every year(in every division)… MUC cannot win the National Title every year ( even though MUC fans wish they could) and that is fact… but when you will you see 54 or 55 wins in a row again and 6 titles in 7 years… That is a strong statement no matter who you root for.. As a football fan in general…. whether high school or college (not much of a pro fan) it is almost unimaginable…
And you put down SJU… and they have a great program as well… every one of us will agree that tradition is what makes great football….
Wildcat1144— the bracket comment is a low blow… NCAA determines the brackets…. Not MUC… they just win them…
December 6th, 2005 at 12:01 am
O.K… O.K…. I appoligize for falling into the “my team is better than you team” comments… I’m done now… GO RAIDERS!!
Anyway… Is Linfield playing in some type of European Tournament of exibition game… I thought I heard that and was wondering more about it… Any details would be nice…. It must be a nice honor if it is true…
December 6th, 2005 at 1:53 am
Yeah, they are supposed to play the European champion of some conference and I think they’ll start fund-raising for it soon!
December 6th, 2005 at 2:26 am
WIAC watcher –
Yes … WW stomped SJU and deserved to win, but you can’t have it both ways — saying that only a WW fumble prevented a shutout and then boasting the 34 points WW put up. Eight fumbles — yes, WW had a huge role in causing them — also set WW with some short fields (only one TD drive was of more than 51 yards). And it’s not like SJU didn’t put up some yards on the WW defense (377-329) and threaten more than just after the WW fumble.
WW was the far better team on that day and definitely better this season (best in the country I think), but WW did not see SJU at its best. That does not diminish WW’s dominating effort. If you’ve been around the game as long as I have sometimes good teams implode. If you that hasn’t happened to you, you’ve likely either had a very short career or have been very lucky.
As for SJU’s No. 3 defensive rank, that’s the problem throughout d3 stats (and to a degree all FB stats) — there’s too broad of a range of competition to know. What are you going to do, only say stats are valid if they come from the OAC or WIAC? Bash the MIAC skeds if you like, but it did put two teams into the second round and took the Nos. 1 and 2 teams in the country to oust them.
As I said before the playoffs started, any WIAC team that can go undefeated through that league is special — and WW is proving that. I’m hoping they demolish Wesley and have a great Stagg vs. MUC.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:51 am
I don’t think demolishing Wesley is going to happen, and that’s coming from someone who was very impressed seeing UW-Whitewater and was likely among the first to bump them into the top 5-10.
I get to speak my piece elsewhere, so I’ll be brief. I think the line play in this matchup is going to be a hell of a battle. I don’t know if I’ve seen a bigger, if not better, DL than Wesley … but the OL at Whitewater has seen some pretty good teams I imagine.
I’m all twisted and backtracking off my old opinions … but hey, that’s part of the game. It changes week to week based on the respect teams earn on the field.
Also, 160-odd blog responses on one and 130-something on another? That’s so much action that these should end up being message board threads after a while.
Nice work.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:08 am
Oh,
and just so we’re all clear, Rowan got jobbed in ‘01 at Bridgewater, there is no doubt about it. Once I saw the tape from the end zone angle, I wished I could have my column from that week back. It is disheartening. On the play BEFORE the game winning play, the clock stops at 0:01 before Lutz even let go of the pass that got them down to the 1. Bridgewater won on the next play, but the clock should have run out, and the winning play never should have happened. Once it did, I’m not sure there was anything anyone could do … well, they could have tried to get Rowan into the game instead of them, but I don’t blame them for not pursuing it. Don’t know if anything could have been overturned once it is official anyway.
I’m from South Jersey and played in the ODAC, I truly would have liked to see either team go to the Stagg Bowl. Bridgewater was plenty worthy and represented well against Mount Union.
Bottom line, the clock operator at Bridgewater cheated. It’s even worse than that phantom pass interference for Ohio State in overtime against Miami in the ‘01(?) national title game, because a rule was straight up broken (as opposed to a scared official making a very late call he wasn’t sure about in a critical situation)
The best thing that came out of the BW-Rowan game is that officials pay super-close attention to clock issues in the final 2 minutes of each half now, and probably at many levels of football (since officials often work many levels), not just D3.
But I wouldn’t drop it either if I was from Rowan. They got whored.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:53 am
rerepeat,
It was never my intention to bring anything negative to SJU with my comments. Just trying to make a point that statistics and a winning tradition don’t mean crap on game day. Just the 2005 teams playing!
December 6th, 2005 at 8:34 am
Listen, I wasn’t trying to be cocky as a Mt. Union Fan. People seem to forget that Mt. Union took it’s lumps too in the Mid 80’s. They lept running into Augustana or Wisc. Lacrosse before they knocked the door down. Its very obvious that the Linfield’s, WW, Rowna, SJU teams are great programs. They are in the playoffs every year. Just a Raider Fan hoping just like you for a National Championship. Let’s settle it on the field in 4 downs and not five. GO RAIDERS!
December 6th, 2005 at 9:23 am
bvboom-
You’re an idiot– the 2 WIAC statements prove that.
Re- “Chris Warren was a transfer from D1 UVA, nice try knucklehead.
WIAC has and always will have the best players in D3.
p.s. WIAC is toughest and best D3 conference. “
Unlike today, in “those” days you could only transfer to a D3 school without sitting out a year.
So from your logic- Brett Elliot should be disqualified from receiving the Gagliardi Trophy?
GO WESLEY!!!
December 6th, 2005 at 9:40 am
I think you see there are a few Raider fans who are caught up in the moment and that is what I hope will happen at this time of year.I understand there was cheering going on at a home game!
Cocky, confident sometimes the same just in how the reader interprets the words. You can’t help but feel a little confident considering the past. It has also become an issue with fans being complacent.
I have seen WW play twice this year and they were two really different teams. They beat Stout but not as impressive as a #2 ranked team. I heard after that game they had a CTJ meeting and realized they would have to step it up a notch if they were going to take their season to the next level. Hello…..they sure did that against SJU. I really thought SJU was going to win that day but the combination of a really great WW team taking SJU apart was equally impressive. SJU did have eight turnovers but that is part of the game and you have to deal with it. Those were caused in a good part to aggressive play by WW which is one of their styles of play.
Their QB laid a couple of beautiful passes out where only the receiver was going to catch them and they did. Two terrific teams leaving it all on the field.
Some of you MUC guys……that #2 defense stat ……just that a stat.
Capital laid 300 plus yards on that “D”.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:41 am
bvboom,
You are correct in saying that the WIAC is the toughest conference in the country. I don’t think there is another team in the country that could have gone undefeated in the WIAC - obviously Linfield and St. Johns couldn’t have, and I doubt Mt. Onion could have either since they can’t even go undefeated in a weaker conference.
bigmucfan,
Bla bla bla. Your hot air is depleating your brain of much needed oxygen. Yes, Mt. Onion has won 7 National Championships, they are a great team, but HAVE YOU WON FOUR IN A ROW LIKE AUGUSTANA DID?! No you have not. You did beat Augustana this year, but they have won FOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW - UNLIKE MT. ONION! Will anyone ever be able to duplicate that? I think one of those years Augustana allowed only 355 rushing yards for the whole season - including the playoffs!
I am going to really enjoy the precious victory UW Whitewater is going to haul in at the Stagg Bowl.
UW Whitewater 44 - Wesley 27
Mt. Onion 35 - Rowan 21 (I would love it if Mt. Onion lost to Rowan)
UW Whitewater 35 (at least)
Mt. Onion 21 (hopefully Rowan)
You say that the WIAC playoff record is not as good as others, but it doesn’t really matter, you are playing this years team.
And if you really must dwell on playoff records, then what you see isn’t really accurate. You only see the records since the playoffs were expanded to the current number of teams. The CCIW would have years of killer wins to add to their total from the years of dominance when they WON FOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW, and made it to the title game the year prior.
Play a WIAC team and see what happens. And, win FOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS IN A ROW. Can you dig it?
December 6th, 2005 at 10:50 am
#1 thing to point out is the correct spelling is DEFENSE not DEFENCE. (Delwarenians need to learn how to spell) Wesley will not be winning the STAGG BOWL because a real team has respect on and off the field. I saw Wesley play and they were rude and didn’t have any kind of sportsmanship.
They were giving late hits and trying to start fights. To me and many others that isn’t a STAGG BOWL winning team or a team that should represent D3Football.
Oh and people tend to forget that Mt Union has lost to UMHB last season as well and all they choose to remember is Mt Union losing to Rowan.?!?! THATS BS
And all this crap about the South not being as good as ya’ll thought they should’ve been. Let me tell you something UMHB will be on top next year. This year they had to get adjusted to their new offense. UMHB has respect when on the field and have great sportsmanship. When they were getting late hits versus Wesley, they still would help their players up when they were hit on the ground………UMHB will be the future STAGG BOWL next year!!!
Whitewater will take the Stagg Bowl this year=)
December 6th, 2005 at 10:58 am
In responce to SeanGOP
First off it’s Mt. Union College. And sounds like someone is tired of hearing about The Purple Raiders. Well, All good things eventually end, and it will. Hopefully not for awhile but it will. And when it does. I will promise you that the people of Alliance, Ohio and all of the parents of current and past players will be proud of the Mt. Union Dynasty built by hard work and any type of football you care to play. The Raiders won with airing it out and smash mouth football. We aren’t saying we are going to win the National Championship this year. We are setting our goals that high. We expect to be there every year. If your goal isn’t to be in Salem, Va. Then Go Home! All good teams at any level set their sights high. Just be proud of your team as I am of Mine. Congrats to whoever wins it all. Just remember this folks. If you want win a National Championship. Then Beat the Rowans, The St. Johns, The Linfields, The Purple Raiders and the Wisconsin teams. If you can’t beat those teams then stay home
December 6th, 2005 at 11:27 am
UhWhoah-
Your excuse for UMHB losing to Wesley is —UMHB needed a year to get adjusted to their new offense –even though Wesley scored 46 on your defense?
Please spare us of that gibberish
And I’m sure the Wesley players are sorry for playing too rough with the UMBH players–were there not referees at the game?
Just admit UMHB got beat by the better team.
I am not a true Wesley fan- I just know they are on a roll and everyone keeps underestimating them– that’s a recipe for success.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:35 am
I prefer Mt. Onion.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:40 am
QUICK NOTE: Wesley didn’t score 46 points on Defense. They scored 21 points on Offense and the other on Defense. So get it straight before you start talking statistics!!
Our offense scored more on their defense they the other way around. END NOTE!!
I think Mt Union is a great team, I just needed to put out there that they just didn’t lose to Rowan. But yes Mt Union is a GREAT program.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:47 am
How did Linfield get picked to play a european team…… Was it because they were defending champs…??? Obviously it was an invitation..?? And where will they play.. at Linfield or do they get to travel??
– and before you all say it…. I’m not looking for the “YA GOTTA BE GOOD” comments from anyone… lol
Let’s just hope they put a whoppin’ on those darn Europeans…. What a great experience… good for them…
December 6th, 2005 at 11:52 am
As a Warhawks grad, I am pleased to see WW get this far in the D3. However wins certainly deserves to do so.
Looking at the sparse attendance at Salem; why does the game continue to be played there? Should WW win on Saturday, I am sure that Warhawk fans would fill all 13000 seats at Perkins Stadium to the brim and this would certainly look better on ESPN then 2500 people who reall had to travel to see the game.
GO WARHAWKS
December 6th, 2005 at 11:52 am
mikeb525,
Not sure, but there are D3 teams that go overseas every year. I think that Linfield probably put some feelers out and they got a response.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:01 pm
UhWhoah,
“Delwarenians need to learn how to spell”
Classic. You didn’t spell a word correctly in the very sentence you call someone else out on spelling.
SeanGOP,
Just for you… Augustana Sucks! Your CCIW vs WIAC finals fell apart pretty quickly this year, despite the 3 representatives. What’s with you bringing up Auggies’ 4 titles from the past in the same post that you say the WIAC’s past playoff record doesn’t matter, only this year?
For all you true Augustana fans, I really think they had a good team this year. I just like ribbing Sean since he’s a Massey-hugger.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:02 pm
71,
Besides the point of playing the title game at a home field and that you still have to beat a hot Wesley team….what makes you think that Whitewater can fill Perkins?
I’m not even sure why Whitewater has a stadium that big. Don’t get me wrong, it seems like a very nice facility but you guys are only pulled in 1,552 for a first round game and then 4,550 for a game with SJU, when you know the Johnnies traveled really well.
4,550 is still a great number but doesn’t it seem a little hollow when you drop that number into a 13,000 seat stadium?
December 6th, 2005 at 12:08 pm
Just for the record. Those of you who say that Mt. Unions conference Is a weak one. The OAC. Well, since 1973 when the Stagg Bowl started. There have been 13 teams in the Championship game of the 32 games played so far. Those teams are Wittenberg, Baldwin Wallace and Mt. Union. And Before any of you say it. Wittenberg was in the OAC in the 70’s and 80’s and left the conference. So, if my math is right. Then 40% of the Stagg bowl games have OAC teams in them.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:12 pm
Wildcat… Thank you, I did know that teams went every year… That is really neat to be able to experience that…
WW does have a very nice facility… went there when Mount Union had a one-and-one with them a few years back… but they draw 4500 for a 13,000 seat staduim.. huh… I guess there is nothing wrong with thinking big… right?? Maybe planning for the future as a DII program??
In a strange comparison, many of our high-school football teams in NE Ohio draw around 13,000-16,000 consistantly and many times over 20,000… I’ve always thought that was a little odd… good for support of the kids… but that is alot of people…
December 6th, 2005 at 12:15 pm
mizzou_mofia: delawareans (Is that better) Is that better?!
December 6th, 2005 at 12:25 pm
When do we get to see the D3football final four predictions?
December 6th, 2005 at 12:26 pm
That’s perfect Whoah!
So what happened down south? I can’t buy that UMHB was still learning a new offense this late in the season. Was Wesley that much better?
December 6th, 2005 at 12:36 pm
UMHB learned a new offense after making it to the Stagg Bowl last year?
December 6th, 2005 at 1:18 pm
Love this site — fun seeing so many people as crazy about D3 football. Out in the real world the response I get is ‘D3–what’s that.’
I’m a Linfield grad who lives in Utah. It was fun 2 years ago when Brett Elliott announced he was leaving the Univ of Utah to head northwest. It’s been a great move for him, obviously.
Here’s my question — any of you know of any successful NFL QBs who came from D3? I just wonder whether Elliott will have a shot. I think he may have to play a year or 2 in Canada.
Last weekend’s game was a heartbreaker. I listened to it over this web site. But it is neat to see new blood in the semis. I’ll pull for W-W to win it all.
Last year we flew up to see Linfield-Rowan in the semis. 56-0 wasn’t much of a game. Hope they push MU harder this time around.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:26 pm
The Cincinnati Bengals QB, Ken Anderson Came from Augustana
December 6th, 2005 at 1:30 pm
I remember him. Thanks. I’ll see if anyone else submits as well. I know Linfield had a defensive back in the pros 20-25 years ago…but it’s a pretty unusual leap.
How would you like to be Elliott? If I were him, I would firmly believe “If I don’t get hurt, Urban Meyer rides ME into the Fiesta Bowl and I get the 50-million-$ contract.”
But every quote I’ve ever read from him he’s never sounded the least bit bitter — that’s why I wish him the best (and may he go to a team better than the 49ers!)
December 6th, 2005 at 1:33 pm
Lodon Fletcher is with The Buffalo Bills if I recall. He was from John Carrol. And the Green Bay Packers had a Wis-Lacrosse wide receiver Shroeder. And then Mount Union has a couple of guys playing NFL Europe football.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:34 pm
Full list of NFL players from this season is in our FAQ.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:36 pm
Conference W L Pct.
OAC 31 8 .795
NWC 17 9 .654
MIAC 18 10 .643
NJAC 15 9 .625
MAC 11 8 .579
SCAC 9 7 .563
ODAC 10 8 .556
NCAC 10 8 .556
ASC 10 9 .526
CCIW 9 9 .500
E8 3 3 .500
ACFC 3 3 .500
UCAA/LL 7 9 .438
PAC 6 8 .429
WIAC 6 7 .462
Independents 5 7 .417
IIAC 6 10 .375
FFC (defunct) 3 5 .375
Centennial 4 8 .333
SCIAC 2 4 .333
Dixie/USAC 2 6 .250
MWC 1 7 .125
HCAC 1 7 .125
UAA 0 1 .000
MIAA 0 6 .000
IBC 0 6 .000
NEFC 0 7 .000
NWC, according to everyone is a terribly weak conference yet has a 17-9 playoff record and two of the past 6 National Champions (PLU ‘99, Linfield ‘04) since leaving NAIA (where numerous championships were won) and joining the NCAA in 1998.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:41 pm
Thanks — I just found the NFL list.
You guys do a fantastic job with this site. I just discovered you last season during Linfield’s run. What great information.
Saturday I was pulling my hair out because the “listen-live” link at Linfield’s web site wasn’t playing on my computer. So just on a lark I came to this site. First I discover the real time score updates…then I discover you actually have a link to hear t