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We’re barely underway and I’m about ready to close the book on Wheaton. Here’s the way the first six minutes have gone so far:
Wheaton got the ball first, punted.
Punt went 26 yards.
Then Pete Ittersagen, Wheaton’s top corner, got hurt.
Nate Kmic ran for a 52-yard touchdown.
Wheaton went three-and-out, giving up only its eighth sack of the season.
Wheaton punted for 25 yards. Mount Union ball on the Wheaton 35.
… as I write this Wheaton picks the ball off.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Koroma starts at Tailback for wesley
November 25th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
ooops instead of Jackson. Unkown if injured
November 25th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Koroma 59 yard scoring run…wesley 7-0 after 1
November 25th, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Pat
Dors the NCAA restrict braodcasts for game? Wesley isn’t doing webcast. O nly radio feed
November 25th, 2006 at 12:36 pm
Pat the Wesley game is on the wEb at WDEL.com
November 25th, 2006 at 12:39 pm
They restrict our ability to link to them.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Also, I should mention, our announcer for that game is sick and bed and I was unable to get anyone to answer the Wesley press box phone so I could inform them. Sorry.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
Wesley has had he the ball for 3 just over mins leads 14-0
November 25th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
Pat
LAst year stretch net carrioed all the games but they aren’t carrying this year. Maybe a chioce by Wesley because they have the radio feed..
November 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
CMU tries fake punt does not get it gives Wesley ball inside 50
November 25th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
PA: probably — that press box is crowded.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I might be sick at home with the flu, but still following the action…
Davon Edwards 6 yd TD run the only success for Rowan at Wilkes. 7-0 Profs lead at the half. Both teams had numerous opportunities, Rowan with more than Wilkes.
Rowan should have a larger lead and failed to punch it in with 4th and goal from the Wilkes 1.
Per WGLS color guy…”Wilkes is not as big as Rowan, Wilkes is not as fast as Rowan, Wilkes is not as strong as Rowan…i’ll be the first to say it, they look like a MAC team today.”
November 25th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Ouch. So what does that mean Rowan looks like?
November 25th, 2006 at 1:11 pm
Wheaton has hung in this game despite Chupp throwing two picks in the red zone, the last one in the closing minute of the half. Mount Union leads 14-0.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Justin Beaver back for UW-Whitewater.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Wesley 21 CmU 0
CMU trying to pass a lot more than usual but not working ands Wesley is stpping the run
November 25th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
UW-W scores on first drive 86 yards after LA-X punt.
Beaver carries 5-6 times and then 20 yard TD to Stanley.
7-0
They needed Beaver back–if he IS healthy good day for Warhawks.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:22 pm
Capital 20 North Central 6 HALF
Defense optional so far.
total offense: 283 NCC 282 CAP
NCC: Kniss 25-32-1 208yds
Cap: Pentello 11-18-0 250yds 3 TD
Kniss is intercepted on the final play of the half at the Capital two yard line.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
LA-X marches and scores running the final ten against UW-W D
7-7
November 25th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
Mike Orhiel has thrown 3 interceptions and Wilkes might take advantage…after the 3rd pick, Wilkes completes a 53-yard pass and Wilkes will have 1st and 10 from the Rowan 13.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
UW-W Tight End tries to stupidly stretch ball forward and fumbles inside 15
7-7
November 25th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
UW-W Defense shows up three and out
UW-W first and ten on LA-X 38.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Warwick goes over 10,000 yrds passing Wesley is just to fast for CMU.
28-0 wesley
November 25th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Pa_Wesleyfan,
I am listening to the game on web cast, it sounds like Wesley is rolling! Clark just scored to make it 28 nil. I hope Purple Crush is still around for next weekend!
November 25th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Wilkes scores and ties game.
Now the defense is fired up and have Rowan in a 3rd and Glassboro situation. Momentum leaning toward the Colonels.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
Jacobs 30 yard TD pass after Beaver run overcomes third and 12 following holding penalty.
14-7 Warhawks lead
November 25th, 2006 at 1:44 pm
Kevin Keller misses a 25-yard field goal chance for Wilkes after a prolonged drive. Rowan will take over with 1:40 remaining in 3rd and game tied at seven.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
Kevin Mulkern in at quarterback for CMU and has the Tartans moving inside Wesley territory for the first time. CMU hadn’t gotten inside of the 25 prior to this.
Now the CMU drive stalls and 4th and goal to come for CMU at Wesley…Mulkern is intercepted and Wesley takes over.
Tartans seem to be cooked today.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
CMU changes QBs sack and interception.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:48 pm
LAXX99
I will be in Dover next week if Wesley wins. Had to stay around home this week.. Honeydos lol
November 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
Wesley needs to eat some clock ,D has been on the field all day..
November 25th, 2006 at 1:52 pm
I am stuck in Annapolis with a similar list! I plan to be there next week as well. Any issue with Wesley showing to much offense wise with this game as good as over?
November 25th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
Just to whoever is updating the score…It is only 27-14 SJF not 28-14…could be huge later on!
November 25th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Chances are I will be at Wesley as well…sans flu.
Wilkes takes lead on Andreopolous 2nd TD of the game.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
My bad on the score, thanks for the heads-up.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
UW-W D bends but doesn’t break after allowing receivers (TE and RB) to run open all over the field.
After punt UW-W takes over on own 14.
UW-W drives into Red Zone with 6:00 left until halftime and bogs down.
Field Goal with 4:14 left.
Warhawks up 17-7.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
patcummings
I am disinfecting my pc right now….
LAXX99
Wesley really hasn’t varied from it’s offense much all year except that they have different 5 rbs who all have their own niche.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
WJ intercepts a pitchout for a TD???
November 25th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Sounds like WJ is playing tough in Texas…
November 25th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Rowan driving from the Wilkes 14 yard line…
November 25th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
PA,
That’s true, well said.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pm
LA-X drives down the field with empty backfield and UW-W defense unable to pressure the quarterback but linebacker gets a big Interception with LA-X in field goal range (24 yard line).
UW-W goes into halftime leading by 10.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
Rowan 1 yd TD run from Mike Orhiel. Bad snap on the PAT. Wilkes maintains a 14-13 lead inside of 3 minutes.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Wilkes fumble. Rowan recovers. Driving down 1 point at Wilkes 12
November 25th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
North Central finally into the end zone in the fourth quarter. Just about 11 minutes left.
Capital 27 North Central 13
Total Offense: Capital 417 North Central 344
Kam Kniss 30-42-1 247yds 1TD
Rocky Pentello 22-37-2 359yds 4 TD
Perry Welch 7-82yds
Dylan Kelly 9-184yds
Derrick Alexander 9-145yds
November 25th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Wesley has put up over 500 total yrds 37-0 in the 4th
November 25th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Well…the Wilkes fumble turned the tide.
Orhiel pushed it in from one yard out for the 2nd consecutive drive and the Profs pulled it out, 21-14. Per WGLS…”I don’t know how they did it.”
Wilkes dominated most of the 2nd half, Rowan all of the first half…it is what it is. Profs move on.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
On opening drive (3rd and long) UW-W throws deep to Stanley to four yardline BUT has to settle for field goal which is blocked.
LA-X ball on 20.
UW-W offensive woes
fumble on 15 going in
settle for two 24 yard field goals (one blocked).
Still UW-W 17 UW-LAX 7
November 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
Just want to say what an amazing season for Chris Sharpe. He had a tough day today…props to the SJF D…There is always next season for him and the Pride.
Great Game though…exciting down to the last couple minutes
November 25th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
UW-LAX shreds Warhawk defense on THEIR first possession of second half.
UW-W unable to stop the run OR rush the passer.
28 yard TD makes it 17-14.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
Momentum all UW-LaCrosse.
UW-W overcomes a penalty with another Beaver run to near midfield before stalling and punting after starting on their own 14 AGAIN.
LA-X takes over on their own 18 with 5:31 to go in the third with a chance to take the lead.
November 25th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
Let’s see. Overall OAC record 35-8. Capital and Mount Union both win easily today. Of the 8 losses suffered by OAC teams a majority have been to Mt. Union. Is there a conference close to the OAC? Shouldn’t OAC teams be split so they don’t play until the final?
November 25th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
Rowan is the “Timex” of the DIII football world….they take a (verbal) lickin’ but keep on tickin’…..
November 25th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
UW-W defense shows up and LA-X punts from own endzone.
UW-W starts on LA-X 35 with 4:00 to go in third quarter and completes big third down pass to TE at 23 yardline.
Offense fails to convert on third down AGAIN from 19 and settles for ANOTHER field goal–high snap.
LA-X takes over on 42.
Hawks need to wakeup or season will end today
November 25th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
capfan, why would we want to see a Stagg Bowl blowout? Non-OAC teams have actually beaten Mount Union in the Stagg Bowl or have at least been competitive far more often than not in the past eight years. Can’t say the same for OAC teams in the playoffs.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
UW-LAX takes lead 21-17 shredding UW-W defense with the run and scoring on three-yard pass.
UW-W hasn’t played well at all and with 14:33 to go in game, UW-W needs a great fourth quarter to overcome Special Teams miscues and inability to finish drives–momentum all on LA-X side.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
LaCross takes lead 21-14 over Whitewater, 4th quarter. Special teams are killing the warhawks
November 25th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
(Beaver 185 rushing yards through three quarters.)
UW-W quarterback fumbles with 11:25 left UW-LAX ball on 45 yard line
November 25th, 2006 at 3:19 pm
Anybody have a computer link to play-by-play for the Warhawk game?
November 25th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
LA-X goes for it on fourth down from 34 with 6:18 left in game.
Throws deep — incomplete.
In big games it is always about turnovers and special teams.
By the way capfan, I have nothing but respect for Mount Union but top to bottom the WIAC is a better league.
The UW-W coaching staff was worried going into today’s game because they know how hard it is to beat LA-X once in a year, let alone twice.
Keith McMillan was in the stands for the first game and saw UW-W dominate UW-LAX. That does not happen very often.
Here we go for the ballgame Hawks down 4
November 25th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
W&J has just returned a fumble 59 yards for a TD. Score now 27-20 UMHB (extra point wide left).
November 25th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
UW-W finally stops UW-L offense. UW-W gets ball back. UW-W touchdown pass!! UW-W goes 71 yards in two plays, one rush rush by Beaver, then TD pass. UW-W 24 UW-L 21.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
UW-W scores on 53 yard strike and regains lead 24-21 with 5:39 remaining.
Let’s hope that energizes the defense!
November 25th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Hey Fisher fans and former players….WE DID IT TODAY..home game next week against Rowan
Wow…couldnt be prouder of Vos and co. for shutting down arguably the two best runners in D3 last two weeks…or is Robinson the best?
SJFC1993…SEE YA NEXT WEEK
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November 25th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
UW-W defense wakes up. Intercept UW-L with 4:23 left. UW-L still has 3 timeouts left
November 25th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
UW-LAX QB throws a pick!!
It is not over yet but defense may have just saved the day.
4:23 left bal on UW-W 43.
Great game
November 25th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
UMHB now up 30-20 with just over 8 minutes left. Newcomb had a 55-yard, wind-aided field goal in the first quarter.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
SJFF82: If he is healthy, Justin Beaver is as good as any D3 running back.
UW-LAX forces punt and takes over on own 21 (no timeouts left).
3:00 to go.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
UW-W has to punt, UW-L gets ball back just over 2 minutes left no timeouts remaining. UW-W finally gets sack on first down.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
UW-W gets their first sack of game on first down.
2nd and 15, QB pressure, incomplete, illegal forward pass (past LOS)
3rd and 20 (2:08 remaining) incomplete
4th and 20 QB tackeld on 8
Warhawks might survive
November 25th, 2006 at 3:37 pm
UW-L goes for it on 4th and twenty and gets sacked again. UW-W just has to run out clock. 46 seconds left UW-W 24 UW-L 21. Awesome game
November 25th, 2006 at 3:37 pm
1st and goal from eight yard line victory formation
Not great performance today but I think the best team won.
What a game.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
W&J has the ball at their own 1 with 2:13 left. Score still 30-20.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
With 5.6 seconds left, score is now 30-27. W&J will onsides kick…
November 25th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Game over. Final is 30-27 UMHB.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
So much for all the talk about CMU. I guess those who were saying CMU played a weak schedule were correct. CMU is a classy team. They just met a better team. Jackson did not start because the coach sat him down for discipline problems. The freshman has a lot to learn. It should be a great game next week between Wesley/UMHB.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Thought everyone would like to know that the NCAA blocks the Strecth broadcasts.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
I wouldn’t go that far. I’d be OK with CMU being in the No. 24 spot in the poll when all is said and done. But yeah, there’s a whole world outside of what CMU has seen this year and eventually reality is a shocker.
BTW, still one game going as St. John’s is up 21-3.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
SJU game over– SJU 21 Whitworth 3. Great game by the Pirates, who stopped the Johnnies several times inside the 10. But SJU earns their rematch in Whitewater.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
I am a loyal d3hoops/football person and spent a good chunk of my existence on this earth coaching in the midwest (not football nor basketball), but had many opportunities to watch the OAC routinely. In addition my teams regularly encountered many teams from the Wisconsin and Minnesota areas. I realy admire their talents and coaching, but for “coltfan” to make a ridiculous statement that the Wisconsin league “from top to bottom” is better than the OAC is ludicrous. You actually need to watch some OAC action outside of the Purple Raiders to appreciate what the OAC has in football and basketball especially. You have a better chance to make a case that the Badgers should be in the BCS title game. Try that since it’s more believable.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Pat:
I do not know what the teams were like that CMU played but I do know their two 1,000 yards rushers did nothing against Wesley. I wonder what their stats. were, I bet not much. CMU had to start passing early and that is not their game. So many of these D3 teams that win their conference titles find themselves in a whole different league during the playoffs. Obviously the best 32 D3 teams are not in the playoffs.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
That’s always been true, though remember the UAA does not have an automatic bid. Carnegie Mellon went 10-0 to get an at-large bid and there’s nothing wrong with that.
November 25th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
msi2b: You send out Heidelberg and the WIAC will send out UW-Stout and we’ll see, ok?
November 25th, 2006 at 5:46 pm
SJF 484 OPPONENTS 166 (amazingly Springfield scored 76 of those pts)
November 25th, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Pat,
Please take into consideration that the OAC has two additional teams so lets talk about sending the eighth place teams against each other. ?
November 25th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
cmu is not the only team to get slaughtered by wesley this year. Wesley is my pick for the Stagg bowl.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
SJFF82-
Couldn’t be prouder of the program. See you next week. Stay humble man it’s still a long road to Salem.
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November 25th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
No, you don’t get a bye on your bottom two teams. To measure strength top to bottom you have to play your bottom.
Usually when we do such exercizes we remove the middle two from the OAC. That would be your top four against the WIAC top four and your bottom four against the WIAC bottom four.
Mount Union v. UW-Whitewater
Capital v. UW-La Crosse
Baldwin-Wallace v. UW-Stevens Point
Marietta/ONU/JCU v. UW-Oshkosh
Wilmington v. UW-Platteville
Otterbein v. UW-Eau Claire
Muskingum v. UW-River Falls (should be a quick game, total of 10 passes thrown)
Heidelberg v. UW-Stout
On a neutral field I’m not sure the OAC wins three of these, let alone a majority.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
UMHB did defeat W&J today. The Presidents did have a good season and made the game a lot closer than everyone thought it would be (predictions on this site were 42-14. 42-14, and 40-17). Congrats to UMHB. However, they will have to play much better if they are going to defeat Wesley on the road.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
I would love to see both #8 teams go out and play. My money would be on the WIAC every time. Am i biased, obviously, but i also know football. Their has never been a doubt in my mind that MUC is a dominant team not only in their conference, but in the country. Not too sure about the rest of the teams. I’m not giving Capital any credit yet. North Central was possibly the worst team remaining in the playoffs. Here in the midwest, Concordia/St. Norbert/North Central, even these teams with favorable records wouldnt fair well in the WIAC (.500 at best)……..If Capital has a good showing next week against Mount Union I will show them some more respect. Otherwise i will assume Mount Union is carrying that conference.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
Anybody have the total yards for Beaver today? He had to be in the 200+ range. He tore through LAX in his first game back in 6 weeks. Scary sight for the rest of D3.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Congrats to Rowan from a huge Bart fan.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
36 carries for 227 for Beaver.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
Where did those cock-a-mainy rules come from Pat?
November 25th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
Well, the definition of top to bottom includes both top and bottom, doesn’t it? Doesn’t seem so cockamamy to me. You can’t both duck your bottom teams and claim best top to bottom league.
That’s why the WIAC has been the No. 1 conference in our rankings for a few years running.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
I guess SJU put to rest any argument that Cortland State should have made the dance instead of them… Two playoff wins and heading to Whitewater to shock the the Warhawks!
November 25th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
UWWWRUNNER:
11-1 says nothing to you?? How about a near “W” last year at MUC where Cap was winning with about 4 minutes to go in the game, but loose 34-31?? I am not saying top to bottom anyone is better, but not give Cap the respect they so well deserve is a little absurd!! Am I biased?? Obviously, but I also know football, too!!
November 25th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
Pridefan:
Told ya so!
Great game and a great season for the Pride.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
11-1 means nothing. Some poor teams went undefeated this year…. Captial lost by 26 to MUC THIS YEAR. Why should last year mean anything to me???
November 25th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
11-1 says a great deal to me, and I agree, they had a great game last year at MUC. I believe your comments should have been directed at UWWFootball. That being said, I agree that the WIAC is one of the toughest, if not the toughest conference in the country. Obviously I’m somewhat biased, and there are certainly some other tough conferences out there, but using the top to bottom argument, I have to say that the WIAC is right up there. Thanks Pat for the stats on Beaver.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
On the Capital note, anybody that can go 11-1 in that conference with their only loss being to MUC has had a pretty good year, and deserves some respect. There are still some other pretty good teams there.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
UWWFootball5-Last year must mean something to you since most UWW fans are judging their chances this year based on their performance in last year’s Stagg vs MUC. they are salivating at another chance to play them! If that’s the case then you have to look at Capital last year who lost by 18 at MUC in the regular season and then played them closer IN Alliance than UWW did on a neutral field in the playoffs. I think Capital is a team to be highly respected in these playoffs. As long as Rocky P is throwing it around and their defense is there, they have a chance against anyone.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
Congratulations to Fisher and Rowan. I stand by my belief that Fisher is the most complete team in the East bracket and is a real threat to play with the nation’s best should they make it out.
Great season for Springfield, but honestly as a fan of Eastern Region football I am glad to see them lose to SJF. I just do not see a one-dimensional offense giving Mt Union, St John’s, UMHB, Whitewater, Wesley… a run for their money.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Cortland: It was a great game and perfect weather and turnovers yes but not ones that can truly agravate a person. I agree with your sentiments. SJF left the slot unattended on 1st and 2nd down all afternoon. On the few occations when Mr. Sharpe dropped back to pass he was looking way up the field, not a familiar experience to be sure, and usually opted to run. Who can blame him? He is a wonderful athlete and it seems a slant or simple turn in patterns are called for to keep a defense honest. The Ithaca teams of the mid 70’s (who ran option and veer) were well known for that sort of thing. I wonder what the resistance is?
November 25th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
Another great SJF/Springfield game. SJF defense held Sharpe in check for the most part but it was the 4th and 19 conversion that was the difference in the game. Too bad they had to meet this week,because I think they were the 2 best teams in the East and SJF should destroy Rowan at home. Great season PRIDE, and SJF keep the EMPIRE 8 drive alive!
November 25th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
Congratulations to the Rowan Profs, a win is a win. They played very well and ultimately won a great game. Howver, the NCAA might as well be ashamed of themselves for putting that group of referees out there today. By far they were the most unsure group of officials that I have ever seen. They missed critical calls throughout the entire game and when they did throw a flag, they lacked cohesiveness in explaining why it was thrown. If playoff officiating is supposed to be done by the “best” officials, I will not hesitate to question the NCAA on their “official” choices for this one. I pose a challenge to all those gentlemen involved in assigning this crew.. Give an honest look in the mirror tomorrow morning… And when you look yourself in the eyes realize that you robbed some young gentlemen of their pride, hard work, and commitment on saturday.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
Perhaps the same crew the East sent to mess up the Stagg Bowl in 2003.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
Keith McMillan, who says he’s a pretty rational dude, said he’s seen much worse officiating and isn’t really sure what all the complaining was about, either here or at the field.
November 25th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
there are some very very very good games next week…i really look forward to UMHB/Wesley and StJohns/UWW specifically
November 25th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
…Springfield and The St John Fisher Cardinals - what an awesome game… If you saw this one - then you saw one of the greatest games ever played in this region… Sharpe runs for 38 yards on the first play of the game, and is then held to 31 yards on 24 carries… Take nothing away from Chris Sharpe, the nation’s leading rusher - he is a multi-talented athlete, with class and character beyond his years (and this is coming from a Fisher fan)… The Cardinals today were just ready; the contact and intensity was at such a high level… The team rallied through a few mistakes, never once hanging their heads, and stuck to their game plan… End result, St John Fisher leaves Springfield with the win… Our two All-Americans played to their normal expected high levels, but it was “Team Fisher” that won this game…
So next Saturday, Rowan visits Rochester, with the winner going to the “Final 4″… Should be another thriller… Glad to see Fisher is getting support from the NY State teams… It’s been quite a ride this year, and I don’t think we’re quite done yet, so stick with us NY State… And for you folks at D3, you can pick and predict, and talk about whoever you’d like to, but here at Fisher, we’ll just play the game…
November 25th, 2006 at 9:35 pm
I have been Wilkes fan for many years. Rowan has an outstanding team and played well. Wilkes known as a second half team came out at half time and took it to Rowan. Wilkes mixed up their plays well and Rowan on their heals most of the second half. Had it been not for a fumbled snap with 2:47 left in the game Wilkes had a good chance to move on. Wilkes had a great season and has nothing to be ashamed about. Rowan is a quality team and good luck to them next week. Now as for the past few comments made about the officiating at this game. I was at the game and this by far was worst crew I have seen all year. On at least three occassions this crew had a conference to determine if their was a penalty and on two of these occassions took at least half a minute to throw a flag. On another occassion late in the game they missed a obvious pass interference call that would have given Wilkes the ball at approximately the 20 yard line, with 30 seconds left. An NCAA official also saw this play and acknowledged the missed call. This crew was horrible. At the end of the game I am told that one of the crew was face to face with a Wilkes player exchanging words. Not a quality crew at all. I also would like to acknowledge all of the D3 people for the great job they do on this site and for Division III football. By the way Wilkes has great fans.
November 25th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
Usee,
I’m not a WW honk by any stretch but you point that Capital played Mount closer in their 2nd meeting during the playoffs than WW did during the Stagg…well I would hope that a good team like Capital would figure out how to make a second game more competitive from the first.
I think if WW had a second chance to play MUC last season the Warhawks might have been able to closed the gap some and maybe more….
November 25th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
We’re also ignoring the fact that UWW defeated a VERY good LaCrosse team. LaCrosse upset South Dakota State this year, who I believe is D1 AA.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
wc11:
You nailed that. You’d expect that second meeting to be closer . . .
pc:
that 2003 stagg crew was horrid, I believe they were PA officials, but can’t recall for sure. A couple of them waddled out of position all game long. The Elliott two-foot TD reception was unreal. MUC also appeared to be jobbed by a punt that deflected off a Johnnie. How that crew made it to the big game was a joke.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Let’s continue the OAC discussion. My point is that for a number of years that the two OAC teams that received bids to the tournament have demonstrated their superiority over all other teams from their region. Thus splitting the two teams into two different brackets would permit interesting tests of regional strength. In addition, I believe that the 5 top teams in the OAC would fare quite well against any other league and indeed the other teams would compete quite nicely with the bottom half of any other league. Certainly there can be no debate that Mount Union has over time established itself as the premier Division III football program in the country as no other school has come close to their history of success.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
Responding to the bad calls… Five minutes for a false start call, which cost Wilkes a first down. the “no-call” on the Rowan qb for removing his helmet after the third INT, the blatant interference on the Wilkes receiver toward the Rowan sideline on the last drive, another no call, and the unsportsmanlike on the next to last play, which was nullified because of another penalty, but would have killed any chance for Wilkes, and the flagrant holding throughout the game which were also “no calls”. Shall I continue?…. Watch the tapes its all there. Shame on the NCAA.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
great point wildcat. thanks for being just about the only one helping me out! haha. i never denied the OAC as being a good conference, i know they are, but i just have that much confidence in mine……….sorry i didnt do this sooner, but lax played an amazing game today, and i was proud to be part of that……………and even though this is a D3 board, i just want to say that i am disgusted with Notre Dame’s Brady Quinn. I have close friends who know him, and he is nothing but a self-centered jerk. Even though the announcers are talking great about him, anyone can see that he is acting like a prick tonight.
November 25th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
Wherestheluv06: A very thorough job on the bad calls. Some people will says that it is just complaining because Wilkes lost. Well we played the game on the field and you know the outcome. I just feel that the officiating very sub par for the caliber of game that this was. We all knew that it was going to be hard for either team to get points because of their outstanding defenses. The colonels had other chances also.
On a side note, The NCAA official that I referred to as acknowledging the missed call was a blue tag representative. My mistake.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
Capfan-
It has been done. I agree it could be done more though. I think it was 2002 John Carroll was sent to the East bracket. They ended up winning it, but barely so. The edged out a Brockport team which was playing with its 3rd string QB if I remember correctly.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
Corrrect, CortlandFootball, and in OT.
November 26th, 2006 at 12:30 am
Well Capfan, enjoy the Capital MUC rematch next weekend.
We had the UMHB HSU rematch last weekend…That’s in round 1, you know!
We in the ASC would love to have our teams on the opposite sides of the regional brackets. Consider yourself fortunate!
November 26th, 2006 at 12:37 am
I will eat SOME crow as UMHB’s win today was sloppy at best. They were ahead 27-7 and driving to score when they fumbled not to metion a TD was called back for a hold that no one saw. At the half W&J only had 1 first down. UMHB slacked off the second half and made the score close at the end as UMHB gave up prevent yards. W&J never had control of the game that’s for sure. I am disappointed that UMHB lacked discipline and slacked the entire 4th QTR. I think the officials called a decent game, they were from the Northwest WA, CA and OR. Wesley will beat UMHB by 4 Td’s if UMHB plays the same next week. All I can say is don’t blitz to many times because Wesley has a great passing game. Wesley will not gain much on the ground but won’t need to if they can call the same schemes that worked last year. Wesley 28-UMHB 10
November 26th, 2006 at 12:41 am
I am surprised that UW-L almost beat UW-W. If UW-L picked up the first down with just over 5 min left, they would have won.
November 26th, 2006 at 1:02 am
UWW had 3 timeouts left, so WW still would have had a chance even if they had picked up that 1st.
November 26th, 2006 at 1:04 am
and i dont think wesley wins by that much……
November 26th, 2006 at 2:08 am
UWWFB5, wildcat11, repete,
I agree with you but the facts tell us thats not the case. I am not an OAC guy but if you look at every rematch with MUC they always win by much larger margins than the first time. Last year vs Cap in the playoffs was the first time this didn’t happen. As a CCIW guy I am looking forward to driving up to UWW this weekend and watching the Warhawks and the Johnnies live!
November 26th, 2006 at 2:16 am
Capfan,
that’s a stretch. Last year Cap won 2 nailbiters vs good North region teams before playing MUC close in alliance (an exception the 2nd time blowout rule). in 2003 everyone said BW was the 2nd best team in the nation and they lost to an average wheaton team in the 2nd round. The 2nd place OAC team has NOT separated themselves from the field. All they have shown is that they can lose in Alliance just like every other North region team.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:32 am
Having said that, it seems this Cap team is better than previous versions of OAC #2 and has the ability to give MUC a run for its money this week. But I wouldn’t bet against LK’s record in rematches.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:28 am
Great day in Springfield yesterday! Even though I was rooting for the Pride I feel the better team won. I am very impressed with SJF. They won this game even though they made some huge mistakes in the first half. Springfield simply could not stop SJF on offense. I give SJF credit they did figure out the Springfield O enough to win. Both teams should be very proud of themselves. I really wondered how far a triple option offense could go in the playoffs. I guess I got my answer. Hats off to both teams, Sharpe, Robinson and Kramer. Great game. Good luck SJF I think you have many fans from the east rooting for ya next week. I still also have to give Rowan credit, they pulled out a big win today and deserve respect going into next week. Let’s go Cardinals!
November 26th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
“Wow…couldnt be prouder of Vos and co. for shutting down arguably the two best runners in D3 last two weeks…or is Robinson the best?”
I like Arcidiacono, Sharpe and Robinson, but I think it’s fair to assume Beaver is the best and Kmic is not far behind. Now maybe if you put one behind the other’s line or in the others’ scheme it might be different, but knowing what we know …
November 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
msi2b8,
I’ve always believed you take out the middle teams to compare conferences with uneven numbers, but the rules on it are cockamamy because the whole theory is. We can argue about it all day, we can’t really prove anything unless they actually play.
As I have written in the past when we do in the in-depth conference rankings, the WIAC is the best football league in D3, top-to-bottom. The OAC usually has a very competitive top four or five, but the depth in the WIAC usually trumps the OAC and the rest of D3. Without looking, I’d be willing to bet their out of conference winning pct. this season stacks up with most other leagues.
The 1 p.m. NFL games today are awful. I’m regretting having the Ticket, and feeling compelled to watch because I do.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Hey Keith hear ya about the NFL games. How do we arrive at taking out the middle teams?? Not doubting you just trying to understand the reasoning?
November 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
wherestheluv06, Wilkesfan …
I was at the game Saturday, although not in a working capacity, so I can’t say I was paying as close attention as I normally do, but I’ll be honest … from an unbiased observer’s standpoint, I think you’re both giving people from around the country the wrong idea about this game.
Officiating was a non-issue at Rowan vs. Wilkes as far as I was concerned.
Officials did not miss two second-half field goal attempts for Wilkes, including one chip shot.
Officials did not fumble a snap exchange on their own 22 with 3:00 left.
If anyone robbed the WIlkes players of a chance to move on, etc., etc., it was the Wilkes players. They played well enough to win and did not.
I could go into details about what I thought about the particular calls, but none of them decided the game. And as usual, when one side lists all the calls they didn’t get, you forget the ones they did get … i.e. Rowan got a false start on the 1, moved them back to the 6, and they still scored.
Bottom line, the game was there for Wilkes’ taking and in my personal opinion, officiating was not a major factor in the outcome.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:47 pm
Mountguy,
Just seems like the most logical way to compare “top to bottom,” as Pat said earlier, using the top and bottom.
If any of you guys has a better idea, I’m all ears.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
Also,
Despite what’s written above, isn’t it “cockamamie?”
November 26th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
“it seems this Cap team is better than previous versions of OAC #2″
What are you basing this opinion on?
I’m just curious. There have been some pretty good Ohio Northern, Baldwin-Wallace, John Carroll and even Capital teams in the past.
You could make a pretty good argument that this year’s Capital team is not as good as last year, judging by scores, scores vs. mount union only or some of the talent that they lost.
FWIW.
November 26th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
I have to agree with Keith on the topic of best back. Beaver, with the exception of the first two games at the start of the season, has been lighting it up every game (986 yards for 5 games; 197.2/game). This being said, I think that it’s hard to really rank how good a back is without considering the system and line that they have. UWW has shown that it’s line can open holes for just about anyone in the backfield, with Reuland and Pittz having three 100+ yard games between them while Pittz and Underwood combine for 142 in another game in Beaver’s absence. Obviously if you take Sharpe out of his system, he (most likely) would not be near as effective. Bottom line is that every team that has a great back also has either a great system, great line, or both. To really determine who’s best, they would have to be taken out of their respective systems and away from their lines, and I don’t see this happening anytime soon.
November 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
I really agree with that.
Stats don’t tell the whole story, and neither does the performance of a back behind a well-coached line or in a good scheme. When I look at these guys, I try to factor in more individual things, like how they run in the open field, how they take on tacklers, etc.
The “best” back in the nation is probably a guy who excels on a bad team, and has to do it all behind a mediocre line or with sloppy play around him, or no passing game to divert attention from stopping the run, etc.
That’s why I said “knowing what we know.” Because that’s all we can really go on, so when we say “best back,” we probably really mean “most effective runner.”
November 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
I pondered that but Webster listed cockamamy first and cockamamie second. Next time it comes up in USAT you and Rayos can have this discussion.
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=cockamamy
November 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
I trusted your first spelling, then I went with my gut the second time.
Sad that my job is to have discussions like that. But you could do worse things for money than preserve the English language.
(Gets snooty on them hindquarters)
November 26th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
Sum won has two.
November 26th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
GO CRU,
If the Cru plays bad again next week it may be ugly. Wesley will have a easy game. However, if the Cru plays up to potential they will win.
November 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
To the Wilkes fans complaining about the officiating…give me a break. There was one bad call against Wilkes and it was a non-call on what should have been a pass interference against Rowan late.
Rowan completely dominated the entire first half and Wilkes should have been down by 3 TD’s at half. In the 2nd half it was a different story, but bottom line is that Rowan seems to be able to score when they have to.
I think the field conditions helped keep the game close. Had it been on turf, I think Rowan wins going away.
As I stated previously, Rowan finds a way to win. This week, despite Orihel constantly throwing into double coverage and not checking off to the a usually wide open receiver, he came up big when he had to.
Rowan’a game plan should be simple from here on out: Use the run to set up the pass, protect the QB and the QB will find a way to put the ball in the end zone. The defense has been strong early in both playoff games but has tired late which is why Rowan will need to jump on SJF early and often if they are to move on.
November 26th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
D3Keith: I agree with you somewhat. As I stated in my earlier statement. I congratulate Rowan and yes, Wilkes had their opportunities as well. I understand that the players punt, pass and kick the football. But, if you feel that missing a pass interference call that would have given Wilkes the ball in excellent field position with approximately 30 seconds left or not calling the Rowan QB for removing his helmet on the field of play not important, I do not agree. Those calls do make a difference. The game is history now and Rowan got the Win and it was a good game, but officiating does make a difference. As I also expressed earlier Wilkes can hold their heads up high for a wonderful season and good luck to Rowan next week.
November 26th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Purple Crush and others……….Why does everyone think Wesley is such a dominant team compared to Mary Hardin-Baylor??? Ive seen both of these teams play recently, and I really like UMHB. No chance I would say its an “easy game” for Wesley.
November 26th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Purple Crush,
I am anything but a poor sport. Congrats to UMHB. However, I do agree with you about next week. They will need to play better against Wesley on the road. If they give up two defensive TD’s like they did against W&J, they will surely lose. It should be a good game. I will say however, that W&J did have a better showing than many on this site expected against a good team in a hostile environment.
November 26th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
UWWFootball5,
I do not think Wesley/UMHB will be a blowout. But UMHB must play better. I will say that your boys better watch out for St John’s
November 26th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
One thing in Wesley’s favor is that since they are playing at home, they might be able to secure the proper shoes.
November 26th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Pat
Maybe they will freeze the field up real nice just to see if Wesley got new shoes!!! Lets see tarp+hot air with frigid temps= moiture add 20 deg temps and you get solid ice. That’s easy science!!!! Add that to a speed oriented pass offense and you get ???? I had tooo say it !!!!! But still to this day I have never read anything that was said by Coach Drass about shoes…
November 26th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
“it seems this Cap team is better than previous versions of OAC #2″
D3Keith,
My arguement stems largely from their playoff results so far. more dominant than last year. Also, Cap won @ ONU and @ John Carroll. 2 tougher road games. they handled everyone they played at home which you would expect. I also thought NCC was a better team than last year and Cap beat them easily. The MUC results last year and this year don’t really differ (8 pts). I suppose we will find out how much better/worse thay are but to get back to the point they were a year ago in more dominating fashion tells me they are better. Keep in mind they lost their best defensive player for several games and he is healthy now (hausler).
ONU/BW/Cap/John C haven’t done anything more than any other north region team (lose to MUC) So I don’t see an argument they are any better. cap last year took MUC to the wire in Alliance but that’s about as close as its ever been.
November 26th, 2006 at 9:04 pm
millie
we’ve played a lot of good teams this year, so hopefully another good team in st johns isnt much of a shock. i think uww will win, but it will probably be the best team we’ve played all year……..also, i think lax is a great team, and playing us earlier in the year especially helped them huge this week. st. johns doesnt have the same advantage.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
“bottom line is that Rowan seems to be able to score when they have to/Rowan finds a way to win.”
While I agree completely, it helps to get a gift fumble at the 22 in the closing minutes.
Wilkesfan,
I noticed that you mentioned the game being won/lost on the field the first time around. And about the officials you are most certainly entitled to your opinion.
My thing is this: What you say on this blog, as one of the only people to post about the Wilkes-Rowan game, gives people around the country an idea of what happened. Your words have a lot of impact, so I felt it was my duty to offset them with another view of what happened at that game.
I didn’t walk away from that game thinking it was some of the worst officiating I ever saw, but as I told Pat when he called and asked me, I’m a pretty rational guy. I don’t often look to blame the officials, but I am definitely capable of noticing when they are outright bad.
I thought the impression people who weren’t at that game should have gotten from it was that Wilkes, basically, gave it away. You can always look back to officials’ calls and non-calls as “important,” but if Wilkes fans like yourselves want to point the finger, I think you come up with three very key second half plays that did not involve an officials’ ruling that turned the game before you go to anything else.
It is my opinion — and again, mine is an opinion no better than yours — that the officiating did not play a large role in deciding that game. To come on here and say it was some of the worst you ever saw (not sure who said that) does smack of bitter fan of the losing team, even though you and the other poster both cased your comments with “the game is won and lost on the field.”
Not agreeing with that take on the game, I just didn’t want the officials complaints to be the only takes we had on this board from people who were there.
That’s all.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
USee,
You too are definitely titled to your opinion.
I think North Central this year was not as good as last year by a fair shake.
I still don’t know what necessarily makes this year’s Capital team better than last year’s, except for some of the same players, like Pentello, being one year better.
“ONU/BW/Cap/John C haven’t done anything more than any other north region team (lose to MUC) So I don’t see an argument they are any better.”
Yeah, that’s kind of what I’m saying. I don’t see an argument that this year’s Capital team is any better either. Maybe they’re all about the same, and only Capital last year, 34-31, has really scared Mount Union in the playoffs from OAC runners-up.
“The MUC results last year and this year don’t really differ (8 pts)”
In the regular-season Cap/MUC game last year, Capital led in the fourth quarter before losing 42-24, whereas this year’s 38-12 game was all Mount Union from the start, IIRC, so I don’t think the 8-point difference paints a clear picture.
I’m not saying you can’t be right about this, you might well be. I just haven’t seen the reasoning to support it yet.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
OK, let’s have some fun. Not that I’m doing well in the pick ‘em, but I would be curious to get feedback on the following projections, including my own guestimated point spreads:
Mt. Union vs. Capital (+14). I’d pick Capital.
St. John Fisher v. Rowan (+6). I’d pick SJF.
Wesley v. UMHB (+3). I’d pick Wesley.
UWW v. St. Johns (+4). I’d pick UWW.
November 26th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Ill take Mt. Union, Rowan, UMHB, and of course UWW
November 26th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
MUC wins by 20, SFJ wins by 1, UMHB wins by 3, UWW wins by 10
November 26th, 2006 at 11:06 pm
Good comments all on the strengths of the OAC. While I will root and hope for an upset this Saturday the truth is that to win the national championship you have to beat Mount Union-a task that nobody in the North region has been able to do in recent memory and the OAC record against Mount Union-what is it 1 win in 10 plus years-demonstrates that there is significant separation between Mount Union and the rest of the OAC. That said I think there is an advantage to more inter region play in the playoffs-which in the North and East could be done with not significant increases in travel costs. I think the schools involved benefit from exposure to different regions and style of play and, perhaps more importantly, general knowledge of schools from general regions benefits all the schools.
Good luck to all 8 remaining teams and I look forward to another exciting weekend. Football in December-a real treat.
November 26th, 2006 at 11:20 pm
capfan,
Theoretically agreed. However, of the teams remaining in the East and North regions this year, Capital would, in my opinion, have the best chance to knock off MU.
November 26th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
d3keith,
I wouldn’t fall on my sword on my argument. you asked why I thought Cap was better this year and I gave you my reasons. No axe to grind for me.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:05 am
Usee,
Me neither, just trying to get you to flesh out your reasoning. Like I said, you might well be right. I may come off as aggressive, but I’m not trying to beef, just discussing.
LG,
Once you start talking point spreads, D3football.com and its official personnel start running the other way. We get along fine with the NCAA (who is about as anti-betting as you can be) and we like it that way.
Capfan,
I wouldn’t get too excited about the prospects of inter-region play. I think the selection committees have proven they won’t move brackets around just to make them “more interesting.” If a situation arises where there are 7 East region teams that are playoff worthy, North Region teams in Ohio and South Region teams in Pa. and Del. are very good options to be moved into an East-based bracket in the future.
I think it could happen again, but only when the bracket warrants it. With the parity in the East the past two years, it may be a while before we see an East with fewer than eight playoffs teams again, but you never know.
Just my take. I think it would be fun to watch, but rare are the times the selection committee would allow us to see it.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:07 am
With those spreads, however, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT ADVOCATE BETTING, IF THE NCAA IS PAYING ATTENTION, I like MUC, SJF, UMHB and UWW.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:28 am
Sorry for belaboring the points,
but we may not be making clear about Rowan/Wilkes that the Profs botched their PAT after what would have been the tying TD, and it was 14-13 Wilkes with 3:00 left.
The fumble was on first down after the KOR, and Rowan took over at 2:26.
The local Wilkes-Barre area papers (Times-Shamrock, Times-Leader) each have quick reads on it that tell the story from a Wilkes viewpoint.
I will let it go. For now.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:29 am
UWW Football,
I have seen UMHB play 6 times this year including the GAME against UWW. UMHB played pretty good against UWW. If they had the same game against W&J it would have been a blow out. I am not as optimistic as you about the chances of beating Wesley. UMHB has got to play better or they will lose. I hope they do beat Wesley because I would like to see how Beaver would do against the run defense of UMHB. UMHB is giving only 25 yards a game against the run. Yes, I believe UWW beats the Jonnies, it will be close.
November 27th, 2006 at 1:11 am
D3Keith,
Believe me, my point spreads were not intended to spur any interest in betting (is there really any major market out there for betting on D3 games?). It was merely an exercise to challenge fellow bloggers to evalute the odds I proposed and to respond accordingly. Thanks for doing so and for recognizing my intent.
November 27th, 2006 at 9:52 am
Sure, UMHB did not play a phenomenal game against W&J. However, the Cru always does well when they have the “underdog” tag. It will be a great game and live up to its billing , but expect UMHB to win by a touchdown. It’s their 100th game in history, they want revenge and after speaking to the guys they truly believe that this is the year of the UMHB Crusaders.
*Also expect a St Johns vs UMHB semi-final on the 9th in Belton.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:14 am
Mount Union beats Wheaton in an interception contest. Wow. They are so darn good - unfortunately.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
Archer
I missed you note on the 26th Jackson was not played because he missed practice due to a death in the family and didn’t get back to canpus until late Saturday and not for disiplinary reasons.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
LG1970,
I was kidding, because the NCAA (and therefore anyone who deals with them frequently) is super-skittish about betting and any references to it.
Sorry if that didn’t come across. Wasn’t suggesting you were a bookie or anything
November 27th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Just looking ahead at some possible matchups. It would be nice for UMHB to play St.Johns in Belton. It would be hard to win at UWW, so I am pulling for St. Johns. I think they will have to play a mistake free game and keep Beaver and co off the field. We must win at Wesley and that will not come easy. It’s all fun and can’t wait to see how it turns out.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Hey UWW Football,
How well do you think Beaver would have done against UMHB?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
my guess as to the answer to that question is: a lot of hard earned yards.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:46 pm
When will the latest Pick ‘em standings be available?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:47 pm
crush
ive seen Beaver play some “talented” defenses and make them look foolish. UMHB obviously is another one of those teams that has a fantastic run defense. i dont think he’d have one of his 200+ yard days, but id say, 125 and a td. (total guess!!) i havent seen a team in the past 2 yrs completely shut him down.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
I personal didn’t feel like the Hawks skipped a beat the first game after losing Beaver against UW-P but against UMHB’s terrific rushing defense, I thought he would have been a difference maker. The new back (a freshman) is very talented but was still trying to get his “sea legs” at that time. After that game the Hawks went to more of a rotating corp of backs. Just glad that Beaver is BACK!
November 27th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Whatever the outcome to the eventual UW Whitewater / Mary Hardin-Baylor game is, I am sure it will be a killer game! The trouble I have with that game is that I really like both teams. That’s life.
And I am hoping UWW WINS IT ALL BABY!! YEAH!!
I’ve always been a huge fan of the WIAC, and the CCIW of course.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Great game in Springfield. Congrats to SJFC. I take them over Rowan.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
I gotta give praise to SJF for knocking off Springfield. They have skills. I had picked Springfield, but picked wrong.
Looks like there will be no shortage of good games on Saturday.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
UWWFootball5,
I agree that Beaver would have helped but I don’t think he would have got to 100 yrds.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
Given Beavers normal amount of carries (30-40), I cant imagine anyone keeping him under 100 yards. The only time he’s even come close to being under 100 is in games where he was pulled shortly after halftime…..I’d love to see the matchup.
November 27th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
D3Keith:
Not a problem. Just didn’t want anyone else to think I might have a hobby on the side….
November 27th, 2006 at 10:08 pm
i dont think any off the road teams will win. expect wesley/mtunion/uww/sjf
November 27th, 2006 at 10:22 pm
Keith/Pat, what game u going to this week????
November 27th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
UWWFootball5, concerning Beavers, what do you consider an excellent defensive performance expressed in average yards per carry allowed to Beavers?
Less than 5 yards per carry?
Less than 4 yards per carry?
Less than 3.5 yards per carry?
Less than 3 yards per carry?
Something else?
November 27th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
i would be surprised if UMHB could hold him under 4 per carry. watching him again this week after 2 months away made me remember why he is one of the best, if not THE BEST running back in D3 football…….I love having Beaver back, but lets not forget the 3 guys who have been the heart of the team in his absence. Justin Jacobs, Ryan Kelppe, and Derek Stanley.
Ryan Kleppe is the best defensive lineman ive seen in D3 football in a number of years.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
You guys do know there is no guarantee that UMHB or UWW will get past this weekend to face each other again, right?
I hope the teams don’t look ahead like you do.
Re: Beaver vs. UMHB … Beaver’s same O-line didn’t open too many holes in Belton in October (30 carries for 36 yards). Do you think the ballcarrier makes THAT much difference?
Maybe one coaching staff would out-scheme the other in a rematch. All I know is no UWW fan should be doubting a UMHB D that pitched a shutout and gave up nothing in perfect conditions.
100-125 yards is really not all that great with 30 carries, as Ralph pointed out by bringing up YPC.
Just food for thought.
Not sure of my assignment yet, but since all of the games are good ones, the logical trip, travel-wise, is UMHB at Wesley. It might be me and Cummings … I think Coleman might be travelling for D3hoops (heresy!)
November 28th, 2006 at 12:20 am
as a uww fan, if beaver can bring 4 ypc, ill be ok with that. on 30 carries that brings us 120 yds. against a team like mary hardin baylor, whats wrong with that???? given our nice passing game, Beaver gives us the opportunity to open up that passing game.
November 28th, 2006 at 12:21 am
and i do think beaver makes that much difference.
November 28th, 2006 at 12:31 am
Pat and Keith just wondering what the prize money is for winning the Stagg Bowl, and how much money is distributed to the respective conferences-or do you get anything for winning the Stagg Bowl other than the Walnut and Bronze
November 28th, 2006 at 12:36 am
Make no mistake about it Wesley is a quality team, and have a dangerous pass and run offense, but I truly believe the Cru will come away with this one, and go on to play Game 101 in Belton or Whitewater depending on who wins. However I think it is phenomenal what Coach Pete Fredenberg has done with the Cru approaching game 100 on Saturday, forming a 75-24 record is very impressive for a program that is only nine years old.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:43 am
Tattisbogo,
Thanks for pointing out Fredenberg’s great record as the only head coach of the Cru. He is the best coach in D3 hands down.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:52 am
UWWFootball5,
Who is the only team to shut out UWW offense? UMHB! The best D-lineman in my book is Kelppe and should get a look at the next level. Kelppe did much damage to UMHB’s offense, he was the difference along with the punter.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:19 am
“He is the best coach in D3 hands down.”
More ignorant things have been said, but I can’t think of any right now.
The best coach in all the land — and the record proves it — would be none other than Larry Kehres.
.917 career win pct. (or whatever), eight of the past 13 titles. Built it from the ground up.
How can you possibly disagree?
Kleppe, on the other hand, is the man (only D3 guy I can ever remember seeing get triple-teamed), but I’m gonna guess that they think 6-0, 290 is not the right size for the NFL.
Although crazier things have happened. Maybe it’ll work out.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:26 am
D3Keith,
Kehres is a great coach as well look at the record. I just meant Fredenberg’s record isn’t so bad after only 9 years at UMHB. He built it from the ground up and in my opinion he is the best coach now.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:16 am
Purple Crush,
there is a big difference between “Fredenberg’s record isn’t so bad after only 9 years….” , “…in my opinion he is the best coach” AND “He is the best coach in D3 hands down”.
in your “hands down” opinion Fredenberg is the best. Fredenberg has done a great job obviously and is well on his way to making his career mark in D3. Along the way he will encounter some great ones like Gagliardi, Bob Reade, Ron Schipper to name a few. Right now, I think the rest of the D3, head out of the sand, world sees 1 guy at the top and the rest of the field chasing.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:49 am
Kieth,
This is one Warhawk fan that isn’t “counting any chickens before they hatch.” My reference to Beaver was in reponse to the question about whether he would have made a diffence in the past UWW/UMHB matchup. I still believe he would have fared better than the raw freshman back that played. He hits the holes quicker and finds daylight many times where there isn’t much. BUT who know how much difference it would have made as UMHB had the best rush defense I have seen in years.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:51 am
KEITH, sorry I mispelled it. Proofread all but your name before I posted.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:31 am
Purple Crush here are some numbers togo with your rididulous comments:
In the last three years your coach has lost 6 games. I agree this is an excellent record. Compared to LK it is not in the same ballpark. LK has lost less games (5) in the last 12 YEARS! In that time your coach won 32 games for a winning percentage of .842 while Kehres has a winning percentage of .970 winning 159 out of 164 times. BTW of those 164 games 44 were in the playoffs where he is 40-4. Also did I mention that he has 7 national championships in the last 11 years with the possibility still open to making it 8 of 11 this year.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:54 am
Purple Crush,
Yes, Mary Hardin-Baylor has a good D, and the Beav will be tested, but don’t forget - you guys lost that game.
I am a Mary Hardin-Baylor fan, but also a UWW fan, heck, I’m a WIAC fan (the CCIW is tops for me)
You guys can argue all day long how many yards everyone will have, but noone knows and noone will be right.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:57 am
When do we get to see the updated leader board for the Pick ‘em?
November 28th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Obviously Purple Crush is an “exuberant” UMHB fan to say the least. While I agree that Coach Fredenburg has done an amazing job from the ground up with our program, we all know that Coach Kehres and Mount Union in general are the gold standard in d3 football right now. I was in
Alliance two years ago and all of us with sense know why that was such an incredible win–the most exciting football game I have ever witnessed as a fan–the opponent, the setting , the weather, the result!
November 28th, 2006 at 11:28 am
Relax
Ok Kehres has a better record and Stagg Bowls and has been at the Mount a long time. I’m not trying to steal his thunder, everyone take a chill pill for God’s sakes. Fredenberg beat Kehres in their first meeting in 04.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:34 am
I agree, Kehres……UMHB shut down WW’s offense without justin beaver. still a great feat. however having beaver in the lineup changes that game, as well as the gameplan for both sides. They will most likely have to put more guys on the line, which might open up the passing game………Kelppe is a great D3 football player. He is too small to move on to the next level.
November 28th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
Interested on people’s thoughts about SJFC-Rowan match up Saturday.
I know what we have but was hoping someone well informed can tell me more about Rowan’s squad this year.
Thanks.
November 28th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
All of those who are looking ahead to a UMHB/UWW semi game must be out of your minds! Please look back and tell us all the last time Wesley lost a home game.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
The last time Wesley lost a home game is THIS SATURDAY.
I think SJF will tip Rowan. I had Springfield going to the final four in Pick ‘em, so now I’m going with the team that beat them. Tough ballclub.
I respect the heck out of Rowan, but I think SJF will pull it out. Great game it will be - good luck to both teams.
November 28th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
sjfc: I’ve been to almost all of Rowan’s games. Here’s a quick scouting report:
Offense:First 8 games 65% run & 35% pass, last 3 games about 60% pass & 40% run.
No huddle with 90% from shotgun. Small but quick backs. Lot’s of traps between the tackles. Small & inexperienced receivers but a top notch QB. Most pass plays to the sidelines or short outside the tackles. Rowan will rarely through anything over the middle more than 10 yds. (hopefully the Rowan coaches might read this and know that the middle has been open for 3 years). The QB is not afraid to throw into coverge and has the arm to do so.
Defense: Excellent front 3 and very good linebackers who loves to pressure the QB. Secondary is fast but susceptible to the big play and the occasional long beat. More prone to running up the middle than the outside. If the opposing QB gets time (and that has not been easy so far), you can pass against the “D” with good success.
summing up: Rowan can score quickly but tends to have drives stalled because of it’s own mistakes rather tha the opponents play. The defense has been very good but it can be picked on, especially as the game wears on.
Keys to beating Rowan: Protect your QB & control the clock, pressure their QB and take away the outside passing lanes.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
In my opinion there is no better player at his position than Kleppe. You can argue other players but Kleppe is the best defensive lineman in D3. Whether he can play on a different level or not I don’t know but at his present level he is the best. As for Beaver I was simply amazed by his performance last week after such a layoff. Props also go to his OLine that certainly have had an extraordinary season this year……helping quite a few different backs to some impressive stats……Should be a great game against the Johnnies….FLUSH THE JOHNS and POUND THE ROCK!!…..
November 28th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
UW Whitwater bracket was by far the toughest bracket in the playoffs. So few losses by the teams in it. St. John’s is tough and will give a great effort.
St. John’s seed was a little low for me, but that is what you get when you lose the season finale.
I think UWW will pull it out - ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!! YEAH!! TOUGH AS NAILS!!
If the CCIW can’t win it all (they ran into the OAC and took their medicine this year - actually, the OAC has been force feeding the CCIW medicine for quite some time in the playoffs darn it), then I want it to be a WIAC team.
SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP NATE KMIC!!! - but not until UWW does it in the Stagg Bowl (Pick ‘em reasons).
November 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Good Lord!! I just saw a picture of Kleppe on the profiles for the Guoyoolttdaiaoiesrals1i Trophy. That guy looks huge! Can anyone tell me his hight and weight?
That dude from Cortland from last year looked even bigger - how big it he?
November 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Kleppe is 6-0 290 and he can play on the next level if given a chance. Wesley has played at home 9 times this year and on the road only 3. Explain that, someone please. Wesley is tough and UMHB will have to play their A game to win. Go UMHB and St.Johns. I would like to see UMHB play another home game in the playoffs. Hey! if UWW and UMHB win then we get to see how Mr. Beaver performs against a stingy run D. Go Cru!!
November 28th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Purple Crush,
Thanks for the 411 on Kleppe. Any word on that Haas guy from Cortland State’s 2005 team?
I wish Mary Hardin-Baylor was on the other side of the bracket. That way they could potentially play UWW in the Stagg. I really do respect MHB a ton, and I root for them - until they play UWW. I hate it when two teams I like have to throw down. Oh well, that’s the way the ball bounces. If MHB beats UWW, then I’ll be rooting for them to win it all (my Pick ‘em will be screwed).
Here’s to some good football.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
Shoot, you mean height and weight would’ve been a good thing to include in a capsule? GUH. I’ll add them.
Haas is still there in 2006, btw.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
SeanGOP,
This is my favorite time of the year great football and food. Go Cru!!
November 28th, 2006 at 4:35 pm
SeanGOP,
Sweet way to skirt the Wesley home game issue. How about you Purple Crush, care to comment on those looking ahead to a UMHB/UWW game?
November 28th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
PurpleCrush
Wesley played 7 regular season home games this year!!! If you look back almost every year Wesley plays more road games because that’s the only way they can get a full schedule. Not only that but they have bused half way across the country to get games so maybe they deserve a home tilted schedule for once…. And they haven’t lost on the turf since it was put in…
November 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Amen PA_Wesleyfan!
Early on in the season I asked the question regarding the small amount of exposure and press on this website regarding Wesley, the response as I recall was that they had a “weak” schedule. A quick phone call to the head coach Mike Drass, and he will tell you that it has been virtually impossible to get teams to play them.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Myword,
Thanks for the report. Much appreciated.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
PA_wesleyfan,
Chill dude!! I think it will be a geat game and there is a first time for everything. I wish I could go see it but work comes first. I will try to listen to it.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Lax99,
I’m not falling for the trap, rant all you want, clone. UMHB will play hard so let the best team win. Peace!!
November 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Speaking of the Wesley-UMHB shootout….
Is it just a coincidence that Texas’s most deadly gunslinger was a guy named John WESLEY HARDIN?
November 28th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
I think it is safe to say that there will be no easy games for any team the rest of the way out, unless the football team’s name rhymes with Mount Union - just kidding, they will have their hands full too.
Purple Crush,
What is on the menue for game food? What’s your tailgating taste? Brats? Steaks? Pickled herring?
November 28th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
lg1970,
That crazy dude shot a man for snoring too loud! I don’t think anyone will be sleeping at that game.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Purple Crush,
re: Lax99,
I’m not falling for the trap, rant all you want, clone. UMHB will play hard so let the best team win. Peace!!
Are you all of the sudden having issues articulating your feelings? Above when you said clone, what did you mean? clown perhaps? come on, you can do better than that! I truly and simply was asking you what you most recent opinion was. If you go back and read your inserts on Nov. 19th through the 21st, you had nothing but simple “smack” talk for PA_Wesleyfan and Wesley’s team. PA graciously declined your taunts, yet since then you seem to be back peddling on your teams “eminate” domination of Wesley.
Again I wasn’t taunting you, I simply wanted to have you state your position. You didn’t really mean to call me a Clown did you?
November 28th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
“A quick phone call to the head coach Mike Drass, and he will tell you that it has been virtually impossible to get teams to play them.”
That’s not what Rowan says.
“You can argue other players but Kleppe is the best defensive lineman in D3.”
Sakman1111,
This might be true, but how many teams have you seen before making this statement? How many prominent linemen in D3 can you name?
It’s been a long season of people saying, assuredly: “Person X is the best Y in D3″ when they know they watch the same team every week, meaning they’ve seen 10-12 teams of the 234.
Why not just say “he’s the best X I’ve seen?”
Lax99,
Clone is what Jim Rome calls his listeners, I believe.
Crush,
You said Fredenburg was the best coach in D3 … why do we have to chill with the responses? Can’t handle the truth?
umhbcrufan16, myword … thanks for the honesty and insight. It can be rare around these parts.
wiacwatcher, you too.
That was my only point about Beaver. I think he would have made a difference, but not all that much. He’s quick with his cuts and superb at finishing runs … It’s weird to say he’s the best back in Division III and yet he wouldn’t have made all that much difference against UMHB, but that in fact is my position.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Usee, Joelmama also get props for their posts.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
Crush,
you are entitled to your opinion, most certainly. But if they’re wacky and you’re sharing them with us, what are we going to do but respond?
Fredenberg is definitely the man, but your use of the “hands down” part, when the numbers, common sense, etc. prove there is another “hands down” best coach in D3, I mean … I don’t know what you think we should say if we choose not to ignore you.
I love head-to-head as a measurement as much as any stat there is, but it’s not enough here. Eight titles, nice how you brush those off “Ok Kehres has a better record and Stagg Bowls” … uh, aren’t those what they play for? If you can’t measure your success by having eight more championships than the next guy, what can you do?
Your statement is akin to a Jets fan saying Mangini is a better coach than Bill Belichick because the Jets just beat the Patriots. It’s like “hello, there’s this other data here you might want to consider.”
The preposterous part is that you weren’t man enough to be like “Oh yeah, duh, I forgot Kehres” or “I’m just a big UMHB fan.” You actually came back to defend the point.
It’s your opinion, you enjoy it … but if you’re out here trying to sound credible when you pass off your opinion on us, do allow us to respond with the proper amount of incredulousness when necessary.
And they say opinions can’t be wrong!
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