Anticipation of Stagg Bowl XXXIV
Dec
2006
So I’m at my real job on Sunday, on the sports copy desk at USA Today, sitting not far from a Wisconsin native. Another editor stops by his desk. The Wisconsin native asks the other if he saw that UW-Whitewater won and would be headed back to the Stagg Bowl.
Some people here know me as a Division III football geek/guru (you make the call), but in this case, I was like a fly on the wall, listening to two casual fans’ honest opinions about Division III football.
“You see who won?”
“No, who?”
“Wisconsin-Whitewater. They’re going back to the championship to play Mount Union.”
“Oh. Now they’ll get killed.”
Normally, I’d butt in there, as most of us expect a pretty tight rematch between the Warhawks and Purple Raiders. But for some reason I kept listening.
“You’ll never guess who scored three touchdowns?”
“Who?”
“Derek Stanley. The guy who used to be a running back at Wisconsin (Madison), and beat up his girl and got kicked off the team. He must’ve ended up at Whitewater.”
‘Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?’ I thought to myself. ‘I didn’t know that. I’m supposed to know stuff like that about D3. I’ve never heard anyone say a negative word about Derek Stanley. And Whitewater doesn’t really seem like it would need to build with transfers with questionable pasts. And he’s a receiver, not a running back. I’m so confused.”
So eventually I spoke up. And we determined that it was BOOKER Stanley who was convicted in July of beating and choking a woman in his off-campus apartment. The running back was kicked off the team this offseason by new UW coach Bret Bielema, and according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel in April, inquired about enrolling and playing for Whitewater.
The Warhawks already had a Stanley, thank you very much (not to mention some running back that appears to be holding down the starting job). As far as I know, DEREK is a model citizen.
A journalist always gets his facts straight … eventually.
The moral of the story, kids, is: You might learn a lot more about Mount Union and UW-Whitewater this week than you ever thought you would. But don’t believe everything you hear, and always consider your source.
Definitely keep this in mind as you read fans’ chit-chat about Saturday’s national championship game. 
Have at it everybody:
December 12th, 2006 at 12:56 am
I can’t even begin to explain how much anticipation is leading up to Saturday for us here at UWW. Since last year in Salem the team and the fans have waited to get back to Salem Stadium and get their second chance at Mount Union. All respect to the other teams that saw their season end in Alliance this year but it wouldn’t mean as much if we didn’t have a chance to win a championship against the Raiders.
I will be there on Saturday even though I have finals until 3 on Friday and more on Monday. I cannot wait for the rematch and this time the trip home will not be as long because we will be riding a national championship home. Good luck to all of those in the game and a safe drive to all of the fans, this will be a great match-up, this ones for Brez!
December 12th, 2006 at 1:18 am
Definitely drive safely.
Here are some starter questions, like last week:
1. No, we do not advocate betting, and neither does the NCAA, but if there were a line on this game, what would it open up at? No more than 2.5 for the Purple Raiders, I think, but you can make an argument for UWW having a tougher road, being a more complete team or whatever.
2. Kmic or Beaver? Who will rush for more yards, and how many? And will the guy that rushes for the most necessarily be on the team that wins?
3. Throw out the star backs, WRs and QBs. Give me one difference-maker who will make his presence felt Saturday. (Kleppe and Stickley might be too obvious too)
That’ll do for now.
December 12th, 2006 at 1:26 am
Pete Schmitt. Mike Zimmerman. And I would look at it about the same as last year’s game pointwise.
December 12th, 2006 at 1:54 am
I went to the game last year. It was awesome, so much purple in the parking lot when we were tailgating. I was supposed to go this year, but took a trip to Notre Dame instead to see the UNC/ND game. I’m probably missing out on the lady that was giving out free Krispy Kremes haha, but it was definately a great time with two great teams. I was surprised to see Mt. Union with the win last year, this year they’re expected to win, but I think UW-Whitewater’s gonna pull it off. Good Luck to both teams.
December 12th, 2006 at 2:40 am
Pete Schmitt was mine too, and I thought about the kickers. The UWW kid can hit from 50, can he not?
The OL … individual defensive players … so many ways you can go with it.
December 12th, 2006 at 7:35 am
1) No idea
2) Kmic because he’ll get more carries. Let’s say 150 yards on Sunday. And, yes, I think Mount Union will win.
3) Matt Kostelnik who may be the best individual defender on Mount Union and will have to play as such if the Warhawks try to air it out.
A.J. Raebel who was everywhere last week for Whitewater. LBs for both teams will have plenty of chances to make tackles with Kmic and Beaver carrying the ball. Whether they do or not is the difference between 8 yard pick ups and 3 yard pick ups.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:08 am
I think that Ryan and the defensive line will be one factor in the Warhawks success and the special teams will be another. I have said all along that there will be a game that will be decided by our kickers, and since this is the last for the season it must be this one.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:23 am
Ironically, Derek Stanley and Booker Stanley are related. (First or second cousins I believe…)
December 12th, 2006 at 9:39 am
MU has got to be favored- but not by more than a few points.
Stating the obvious here, but I think turnovers will be the key. Which team has the better turnover margin? Which qb is likely to throw a pick? Which rb is likely to fumble?
Personally, I’d like to see MU take a whoopin’ - when was the last time MU got beat by 21 points?
December 12th, 2006 at 9:54 am
Pumkinhead: November 4th, 1989 - MUC lost 7-31 to John Carroll
December 12th, 2006 at 10:07 am
Pat,
Sorry for drifting off subject, but I thought you left USA Today for nbcsports.com this past fall……well, it’s not quite winter yet, but you get my drift….
December 12th, 2006 at 10:13 am
Pat did, KEITH was writing the daily dose
December 12th, 2006 at 10:17 am
Doh!!!
Thanks, Superman57!
December 12th, 2006 at 10:25 am
OK, back on task.
1. IF I were a betting man, I’d take WW plus 3.
2. Kmic will probably outgain Beaver, but I think that’s paritally a result of the injury to Garcon. WW is more balanced in their offensive attack.
3. The kickers.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:34 am
1. If I were a betting man (which I’m not, mom) I’d put MU plus 2.5 then bet Whitewater to beat that, that way I’d win money.
2.I agree with lg1970, that Kmic will probably outgain Beaver if only for the injury to Garcon and the balance in Whitewater’s offensive attack.
3. I’d say kickers, but I think that special teams is a bit of an obvious answer, I am going to go with the other WR’s from Whitewater, Douglas, Gifford, and Mrkvicka, I just think that these three combined with Beaver and Pittz running the ball may be too much for MUC.
3b. I’d also say that the play of the linebackers will be huge in this game. They came up big last week here in Whitewater when there seemed to be some uncertainty with Wesley’s explosive offense. This is all from my standpoint as a UWW fan, so don’t take anything personal MUC fans, just my personal view points from watching all the Whitewater games.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:37 am
1. I’d say UWW +6
2. Kmic will likely have more yards, especially if LK goes one dimensional to try to keep the UWW offense off the field.
3. For UWW, the kicker could definitely be the difference. Keith, he hit from 49 last weekend (barely scraped through, but good nonetheless). Linebackers for UWW will also be big. For Mount Union, Zimmerman could be a difference maker, and Micheli (sp) at punter makes me a little nervous because you never know when that fake might come into play.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:41 am
Off topic, what time is the Gagliardi Award announced?
December 12th, 2006 at 10:42 am
I hate to say this, but if Coach Bob would have been ok with Booker Stanley on the team, i would have been cool with it. As great as Underwood and Pittz did without Beaver, it would have been nice to have a guy with some D-1 experience. He probably would have done very well in those games.
Kmic will rush for more yards. I hope he gets more carries than Beaver. Justin Jacobs has only had a couple off games this year, and I love to watch his throw the ball. Which leads me to my difference maker……
I know you said throw out WR’s, but im taking Neil Mrkvicka. He plays #2 WR and hes the punt and kick returner. Hopefully he can put a couple BIG drops last week behind him, and have a huge game this week. We all know what Stanley can do, hopefully Mrkvicka can show us a thing or two as well.
Keith! u need to get those facts straight!!! he hit from 49 yards!!!!! Hit the bottom crossbar and barely got in. haha just kidding……..being serious, he did have a strong wind at his back, so im not expecting that everytime.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:46 am
RaiderATO-
Thanks for the info- that’s crazy impressive
December 12th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Posted this elsewhere, but I’ll post it here too………………I heard a rumor about a new rule that evens the playing field in terms of where a team can stay, and something to the effect of no more than an $8 difference between each player per team per hotel room. Does anyone know what im talking about or does anyone have any additional information about this rule change, or do I need to quit believing evrything I hear?
December 12th, 2006 at 11:16 am
I may be going to generic with who will be a difference maker…but I really just think that the MUC Defense as a unit is going to have to deliver a stellar performance this saturday…and they have been doing it all year…
so I say that if MUC is to bring home another title, it will be because the MUC D brought the A game…pressure on the Qb, which I really didnt think they established last year until later in the game,will be a big key…shut down Beaver as much as is possible, and keep UWW one-dimensional..a turnover or two, maybe a score, from the D would go a long way in allowing MUC to rely on the power game that has gotten them through the playoffs…
I think this game is just going to be so good…lots of storylines…a coach on the way out, two great running backs….the fact that its a rematch of last year….which hasnt ever happened in DIII right…same two teams in consecutive years? I think both teams are hungry…I hope that MUC can bring the intensity that makes MUC football what it is, and match the intensity that UWW is going to bring to this game…if they do, we are going to see a doosy ya’ll…
December 12th, 2006 at 11:20 am
The NCAA uses the same hotels for the teams every year. I would probably put that in the “don’t believe everything you hear” category.
December 12th, 2006 at 11:57 am
1 - I say the odds maker would list this one as EVEN.
2 - I say Kmic will outgain Beaver since Kmic has a bad habit of gaining 1000+ yards in the playoffs alone. Beaver will throw down as well.
3 - Special Teams will be the difference maker for someone. Why not.
Whoever makes the least number of mistakes will win, and I HOPE THAT IS UW WHITEWATER!!!
December 12th, 2006 at 12:00 pm
I know that they have always used the Wyndham hotel in the past, or atleast MUC has. The basis for this rule, I guess, is because of team’s followings. I know that many, many MUC fans stay in the Wyndham because the team traditionally stays there, and the NCAA is disputing that this is an unfair advantage for teams such as MUC, being as though Raider fans occupy all of the open rooms. Therfore, it becomes an “advantage” to teams such as MUC. This year, I heard, they were trying to level that playing field with some sort of rule adaptation pertaining to hotels and only allowing an even amount of fans in the team hotels, or disallowing the fans to stay in the same hotels, or something to that effect. It makes sense to me, because as a MUC alum, ex-player, and fan, I have had my room booked for weeks, something that many MUC fans do around the playoff time. Then, when the Stagg Bowl comes around, no more rooms are left in the Wyndham, and fans of the opposing team are forced to stay in additional hotels, while all the Raider fans get to stay with their team. Thus, making for some unfair adavantage of sorts to MUC. Sorry, to be so long winded, but I am really curious about this rule change, if it does indeed exist.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
I have no idea if it’s true … and frankly, I’m not sure it’s worth an investigation, per se.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
For the record…Derek Stanley and Booker Stanley are NOT related.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
I saw the game last year and thought WW had superior talent but was out coached. This year MUC has better team speed and will stop the run.
They appear vulnerable to the pass especially in man to man. If Kmic can’t run, Garson is nicked up (finger), and another MUC receiver doesn’t step up, it could be WW year.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Raider,
Sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. Maybe I am missing something here but how does MU fans staying in the same hotel, give you an advantage? Also…how on earth can the NCAA regulate who is a fan of what team? On second thought…sounds like a case of double hooey!!
:)
But then again, on third thought… if the NCAA is involved…anything is possible.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:51 pm
The thing about the “Hotel Scheme” that is crazy is that the hotel is located near a grassy knoll!
December 12th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
allsky7- I guess they say it provides an unfair atmosphere to teams such as ours, but they’re not trying to regulate who you root for, just where you stay.
Pat - Didn’t ask for anyone to investiagte, I was just curious if anyone had heard the same thing that I had, per se…
December 12th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
Where just kidding around with you RaiderATO. Who knows, maybe it’s true.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
how much is garcon going to play this week???
December 12th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
When we first started going to Salem there weren’t many hotels to choose from. The Wyndham has always been very accomodating, so why would we want to stay somewhere else? If that rule change is true, it seems the NCAA could spend its time on something more constructive.
December 12th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
yeah…but the whole canon guy thing at wesley/uww seemed just as rediculous to me and that was true…as if a guy shooting a canon is going to change the outcome of the game…
December 12th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
Ahhh….yes. I will admit my mistake regarding Booker and Derek Stanley. When Booker was talking about transfering here, it was reported that his cousin goes to school at UWW. While that might be the case, that cousin isn’t Derek Stanley. I must have jumped to that conclusion in my mind.
Sorry about that.
As for the hotel issue, WW has moved their hotel this year to the Holiday Inn Tanglewood due to a lack of meeting space at their hotel last year.
December 12th, 2006 at 2:18 pm
Did UWW stay at the Wyndham last year as well?
December 12th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
1. Even
2. Kmic will have more yards, but I feel that UWW’s passing game is it’s key to victory.
3a. Jeff Schebler, the 49-yarder was in 20 degree weather, maybe he can go over in 50 degrees.
3b. Nick Croak, he pinned Wesley inside the 5 twice last week, he could win the field position battle for UWW.
3c. Pete Schmitt, if Jacobs can find Schmitt a couple times in the middle of the field, that really opens up the UWW offense
Can’t wait until Saturday!!!
December 12th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Sorry Raider…didn’t word that very well. Meant that how can the NCAA regulate where people stay by whom they are a fan of. How would they even know. Unless the NCAA buys ALL the rooms in a certain hotel and then diveys them out, it is really none of their busness. (IMHO) As for a team gaining an advantage….I say horsefeathers!!
:)
And Sean…lurking up on that grassy knoll is a covert NCAA special opps guy tracking to make sure no guest are staying that are from teams with banned mascots.
December 12th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
P.S. When the rumor went out about Booker Stanley coming to UWW came out, there was fantasies flying about who would play RB for UWW, Beaver or Stanley.. all dreams were dashed when we found he would be spending approximately the next 50 years in jail…
December 12th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
just hoping to see a competitive game either way as it is pretty much the only showcase for d3 football on the national stage.
just out of curiosity….have the ratings for the stagg bowl been affected since the coverage of d3football.com started back in 99?
December 12th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Word from Alliance is Garcon will start and play the usual minutes as long as the finger holds out…….Ultimately, he is the difference maker in the game! Hope he’s ready to go, and its a high of 62 degrees this weekend in Salem, which is good. Being from FL, you know he likes the warmer weather. Not only that, but it benefits both kickers in ideal conditions.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
One of the other reasons the Raiders like the Wyndham is the meeting space and rooms for a pregame party. Sounds like WW had the same issues last year and moved.
Looking forward to a great game from both teams having seen both of them play this year. Be careful as you enter the KMIC Zone. Ask SJF.
Visions of Garcon & Kmic dancing in your head. It’s a nightmare to most.
I have to crank up my copy of last years game tonight.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Why is there so much talk about MU team and fans staying at the Wyndham? The Stagg Bowl Schedule of Events states MU is staying at the Holiday Inn-Roanoke.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
A realistic line on this game is probably MU -4 with the O/U at 48.
Kmic will get more carries. Both backs will have a tough time gaining 100 yards. If I had to flip a coin I would say Kmic will get more yards because MU is gonna try run UWW out of the stadium.
Garcon will still be able to catch the ball with a broken hand. So not considering that being the difference, Im gonna say the difference is gonna be which team gets more pressure out of their front 4.
Winner: UWW-31 MU-28
I could very easily see this score flipped.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
In regards to the “KMIC ZONE”.
If Kleppe and friends can get in the back field like they have all year. UWW’s linebackers and safeties are good enough to contain him to 3-6 yard runs. I don’t see him ripping off 30+ yard runs like he has against lesser defenses.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Many of these MU fans seem to forget that this defense has plenty of starters that have seen the elusiveness of both Kmic and Garcon. This defense is much better than last year and will not be wide eyed with the speed of Garcon. This is about containing the big play and that will happen.
December 12th, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Not only is the defense better than last year, but I believe that they are also faster. Given I don’t know any defensive backs that can run with Garcon, but I don’t think Jorris will have enough time for Garcon to utilize that speed. I look for UWW to get good pressure on Jorris (assuming he’s playing) for the majority of the game. If Jorris is not in, then I look for UWW to put at least eight guys in the box, maybe more. Kmic is a great back, but I think he will have a tough time getting to 100 yards. People seem to forget that the UWW defense has only allowed over 100 yards rushing to an entire team once this year (arguably their worst game of the year). UWW will look to contain the big plays and force turnovers. Whether or not they are able to will be the key to the game.
December 12th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
UWWRUNNER, I sure hope you are right, but If Kmic gets anywhere near 25-30 carries, there is no way he doesn’t get 100 yards. You also have to take into account that this is probably the best offensive line that Whitewater is going to face all season long.
My personal belief is that Kehres is going to surprise WW and toss it up a bit, just to make the defense back off. When Whitewater’s defense has been at its worst (which hasn’t been often), is when they are facing a balanced attack who can play-action. I think Kmic will be used as a decoy to start and then he’ll pound later on.
I think a player who can make an impact for Whitewater is safety Andy Murray on defense and on offense, the offensive line - namely center Brent Allen. Allen is the smallest guy on the line and has often been troubled with holding penalties this year. If he can stay on his feet and elminate those penalties, it only helps the offensive momentum for UW-W.
But then again, what do I know?
December 12th, 2006 at 7:18 pm
How many yards did Kmic get last year as a Freshman? My guess is he has improved also with his line. I think the game key is the control of the line bet UWW defense and MUC offense.
Low scoring game in my estimation MUC 20 UWW 14
December 12th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Re: the Stanleys … I didn’t want to insult Booker if he was related to Derek, so I Googled everything that I could and looked to see if where they went to high school was the same or similar.
I’m sure Booker’s a good kid at heart who has had a lot of time to reflect and might be able to go somewhere and help someone for a season or get an NFL look when he gets out. His sentence was only a year, not 50, from what I read.
As far as UWW, though, transfers can be helpful (coughBorzickcough), but you didn’t need to take that risk on offense.
December 12th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Back to labart96’s question: anyone know where to search for ratings on the Stagg Bowl broadcast overall, as well as during the d3football.com period? I’m inclined to believe they’re improving, given the late afternoon start on the game. Is that a good assumption?
December 12th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
http://d3football.com/notables/2006/01/03/Stagg+Bowl+ratings+up+11%25
December 12th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Thanks, Pat.
This will be my adieu for the 2006 season.
To Pat, Keith, Gordon, et al: Thank you so much for your dedication above and beyond the call in satisfying a thirst felt by thousands.
To DIII fans everywhere: Enjoy the game this Saturday, and have a safe, blessed, and happy holiday season with family and friends. May your wishes be fulfilled.
To Purple Crush: Peace, my friend. I will be attending at least one game in Belton in 2007, so perhaps we can meet and enjoy a Crusader win.
December 12th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Anybody know where RIGG0123 is? I have decal for his truck. Seems like he has gone under ground. Anyone who might help me find his Bronco, send along a note.
Thanks.
December 12th, 2006 at 8:48 pm
Booker Stanley was from Whitefish Bay (Milwaukee area). A good friend of mine (with whom I’ve sat with at a number of Badger games) always made a big ruckus when Booker carried the ball because she was also from Whitefish Bay.
Derek is from Verona (Madison area). Bout an hour ‘n a half apart.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
kmic only played 11 games in 05 - 1254 yards. he’s got 2291 so far this season.
here’s some crazy mount stats for you - since 1990, mount is 215-10. kehres, in 21 years, 245-20-3, 8 national championships.
saturday should be a terrific game. if mount can get the lead early, UWW will get a serious dose of kmic. aganst SJF, he carried 25 of the 33 second-half plays.
if UWW takes a lead of more than a TD at any time in the game, mount will have to throw more than kehres is apparently comfortable in doing this season. that would favor UWW to win.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Wow, it’s something how the press or media people can get things WRONG and run with it Yes, I know it seems that UWW is the underdog in this contest, but by no means take them for granted. They have earn thier way to this championship game. They have played some tough football this year. Their “Quality of wins” was better than MU. It only takes a little negative publicity to get started and passed as truth, to cause people to judge and hate. I KNOW DEREK STANLEY BETTER THAN EVERYBODY, ALL HIS TWENTY-ONE YEAR OLD LIFE, as a matter of fact. To set the record straighter, He is not related to Booker. And has never been in trouble or has had a criminal record. And yes, HE IS A GOOD KID, RESPECTFUL, POLITE as well. He just happens to have a common last name. I believe Booker is a good kid too. Give him a break and pray for him. Don’t be sorry, BE CAREFUL.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:36 pm
Keith,
Thank you for speaking up and correcting that uninformed fellow on Derek Stanley. I’ve worked at UW-Whitewater for the past 10 years. I’ve known Derek since he came in as a freshman. Trust me, he’s no Booker. A real good guy, very likeable, humble and a tremendous athlete. It’s a fact that some people (in order to save face) will feel the need to make up stories about other teams or players after they get beat by them, rather than just accept the fact that the better team won. Last year after beating an unnamed team, I heard through the rumor mill that we only won because we let in all these black athletes. At that time we had 2 that started on the team. Hmmm..??
I also listened to people tell me that Booker Stanley (among other D-I athletes) were coming to UWW. All I had to say was, really??? Wouldn’t they have to apply and get accepted first? Since I work in an area that would know, I thought I would have known. But who knows, maybe they know another way to get in. People just love feeling like they are passing on inside information (fact or fiction), I guess.
With this said; I love this website! Generally, people who post on here have intelligent, thoughtful posts. Keith, the information you Pat and the others provide us with is invaluable. What if there was no D-III Football.com? What would we do? I for one would say that life for D-III football fans wouldn’t be quite as complete.
This Saturday should be a great game! This year’s two best teams will have a showdown. What else could anyone ask for? Oh, yeah, a WARHAWK WIN! GO HAWKS!
December 12th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Uhh, roscoe, I think the point was they didn’t run with it. That’s why there are people called editors in this world and such.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
Maybe, this rumor was not printed or passed, never-the less, that’s how rumors start. Someone saids something, especially, negative stuff, and it’s off. Anyway, we have settled this particular discussion, so let’s just get ready for the game and enjoy the time in Salem. However the outcome, it will be fun.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
Yeah,
it wouldn’t hurt Roscoe to cool out a bit. It was idle chatter from a guy who got two names mixed up. It was never in danger of being printed or anything.
Also, nobody with a clue, least of all Mount Union, is calling UW-W a real underdog. Public opinion has this as the toss-uppiest toss-up I’ve seen in a Stagg Bowl.
dcroak, Holiday Inn-Roanoke used to be the Wyndham, if I’m not mistaken. Just changed names recently. The Clarion next door was always the other team hotel, and Hotel Roanoke (aka Hotel Bavaria) is the coaches’ convention/media hotel. FWIW. (I can reveal such info because the crush of D3football.com groupies is quite managable)
lg1970,
wait … don’t bid us adieu until after Saturday’s webcast, and come back for the Year in Review!
(wonders if he’s already out of earshot)
For those giving D3football.com props, we very much appreciate it. Knowing it’s appreciated helps keep us going even when the travel stinks, the family wishes you were home, the money isn’t pouring in and the work on top of work drudges on into the late night.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Slightly off topic from Salem, but has anybody else noticed how lopsided the poll is in favor of Kleppe? Not taking anything away from Brehm, but that’s a pretty big difference, even considering a lot more UWW fans visit than Alma fans I’m fairly sure. Just an observation
December 12th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
Keith,
Still within earshot. I only meant I won’t be adding my half-penny’s worth until next year. I will defintely be monitoring the d3football site ’til after the Year in Review.
December 12th, 2006 at 11:47 pm
Kleppe doesnt get Gagliardi, what a joke. What percentage of the award is based on on field performance? As for game analysis Saturday. Whitewater has the championship swagger right now and MU is fading very very fast. Rotating QB’s is not winning formula, and will lead to MU’s demise this weekend. LK overcoache this team. Garson is window dressing this weekend. Kmic will not get a hundred against UWW’s front seven. Kleppe will be a beast since he was snubbed for award. Justin Jacobs exploits MUs suspect secondary this weekend. 35-10 Whitewater wins first ever stagg bowl.
December 13th, 2006 at 1:16 am
Well,
all things considered about the Gagliardi, it’s really hard for folks who don’t follow D3 that closely to give a DT the same consideration they give a QB that piles up numbers. And even though it’s a pretty good committee of voters, not all of them watch D3 like we do.
I was afraid that might happen.
I was pretty high on Brehm even though he wasn’t my top choice. I think he’s going to be a very deserving winner once you find out what this guy is all about.
I think Kleppe would take a Stagg Bowl ring over a Gagliardi anyday.
Flush
December 13th, 2006 at 1:19 am
There is a Gagliardi Trophy thread on Post Patterns for those who want to sound off on it:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4963.0
December 13th, 2006 at 1:31 am
… Hint Hint …
December 13th, 2006 at 1:50 am
Did anyone notice the game will be on ESPN not on ESPN2 starting at 3pm.
December 13th, 2006 at 3:11 am
4 p.m.
Turn down the sound and listen to people who know about Division III call the game.
December 13th, 2006 at 3:14 am
3 P.M. for us Wisconsinites…
It’s almost impossible to pick a favorite in this game…flipping a coin is even a coin flip
If i was a betting man, i would put my money on the team in purple!
December 13th, 2006 at 3:22 am
Sure but for MUCkers it’s 4 p.m.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:44 am
WOW Flush….don’t go out on a limb there. I really thought the Warhawks would win the game last year. Thought they had more talent. Then proceeded to watch the Puple Raiders “get it done”.
I picked MU by 7 in an earlier post for this years game but am having second thoughts. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I must admit I would like to see the Warhawks get one. If you are not a MU fan, how could you not pull for Coach B to be able to look up on the shelf at the championship trophy while playing with all those grandkids.
December 13th, 2006 at 8:23 am
dcroak - If Mount is staying in the Holiday Inn, then the hotel rule change discussed earlier must be true……We’ve stayed at the Wyndham forever!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 8:50 am
Just wanted to correct what Keith said earlier about the Holiday Inn-Roanoke having been the Wyndham hotel before. Just confirmed with 2 sources that it was the Clarion Hotel that changed it’s name to the Holiday Inn-Roanoke, not the Wyndham. The Wyndam Hotel remains the same. So if MUC is staying at the Holiday Inn-Roanoke and that use to be the Clarion, then the MUC team is at the same hotel as the UWW players stayed at last year and the UWW players are in a new hotel, the Holiday Inn-Tanglewood and no team is staying at the Wyndham. Wow, I am so confused!!!!! Hopefully, I got that right.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:02 am
Guess I will wade in on #3 and this may surprise a few people but I think a difference maker could be the UWW coaching staff. Don’t get me wrong, LK will never be out-coached but I think that our guys will come with a better game plan this year and the players have the talent and confidence to execute it. They have played against MUC 3 of the last 4 years and that familiarity has got to finally pay off in some form. Add to that, the fact of this being Brez’s final game and that could be the added motivation to carry UWW.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:53 am
Regarding the hotels, I thought it was interesting last year that the Wyndam (where MUC stayed), the Clarion (where UWW stayed) and the Courtyard (where fans of both teams stayed) were all within a couple of blocks of one another. This year, UWW is staying on the complete opposite side of town.
And again, I do want to offer my apologies on the whole Booker / Derek Stanly matter. That is what I get for speaking off the top of my head based on a rumor without doing any research! And I have met Derek’s family as well and have no doubt that Derek is no Booker!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 10:05 am
Not only that, but the Baymont is right down the street as well…
December 13th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Does anyone know any good bars/restraunts in salem?????
December 13th, 2006 at 11:38 am
They lack in that department. Not to mention they all close at 1:00. Your best bet is the hotel bars, the Wyndham has a nice one.
December 13th, 2006 at 11:43 am
purple
Mac And Bobs on Main St.
http://www.macandbobs.com
December 13th, 2006 at 11:58 am
I thought you would also like to see what UWW has done to spotlight the game on their website. This includes player blogs and an online guestbook.
http://www.uww.edu/spotlight/stagg_bowl_bound.html
December 13th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
purple,
Many fo the d3 crowd will be at Corned Beef & Co. in downtown Roanoke Friday night.
http://www.cornedbeefandco.com
December 13th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Also, Warhawk fans, don’t forget about the get together at the marriott courtyard - roanoke airport friday night. Based on the posts on warhawkfootball.com there will be plenty of football fans there. MUC guys you are also welcome, we are all friendly people on friday night and we would be more than happy to see you and have a nice scholarly conversation.
December 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
wjbtms,
Good point about RIGG0123. I am sure many people have great ideas on what to put on the side of his Bronco.
Also, a lot of people mention flipping a coin to pick a winner for the Stagg. That won’t work for this game because the coin would end up landing on its edge.
If UW Whitewater wins this thing, someone on campus could make a mint selling bumper stickers, t-shirts, or whatever that say, “UWWinners”. If someone does it and ca$hes in, then please remember good ole SeanGOP.
December 13th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I really love when flush comes on here and decides that he/she is smarter than LK…and thats fine, you’re entitled to your opinion…nothing wrong with predictions as far as the score is concerned, because you just never know, you might be right..im not gonna rule it out completely…Im just curious as to how MU is “fading”…sure Garcon is still dealing with his injury, and it would be nice to see the offense be a little more explosive as in year’s past..but I dont see the blowout that you do…the D still has plenty of game on the MUC side as well…
December 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
SeanGOP-
What did I tell you about playing on the internet?
wjbtms-
My hats off to you and your school- a very competitive game.
Now on to the real game- this is going to be a good one folks. The GREAT Larry K will be the difference!
December 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
I will mention Awful Aurthur’s here as a possibility since both M&B and CB&Co have been mentioned.
Of course, I don’t have their number or website handy but its 3 blocks east (I think that’s the right direction-maybe north) of Corned Beef
December 13th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
rigg0123,
Is that all you’ve got? Please. So, How does your white Bronco look?
I hear rigg0123 is the “short” version of your screen name. I hear the original was “rigg0,1,2,3, uh 4, 5?, 9?”
Just messing with you.
December 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pm
Fading??? There was a lot of that trash talk goin on last year, and we all saw had that ended up. It’s going to be a great game, bottomline! Either team is capable and most deserving of being a national champion this year. With that said…….Go Raiders!!
December 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
Here ya go!! If it has to do with food… I’ll find it baby!! :)Awful Arthur’s downtown Roanoke, VA. FYI…there are two AA’s in Roanoke. This one is pretty good. Never been to the other.
http://www.awfularthurs.com/marketsquare.htm
December 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
Kieth or Pat,
I got a question that you might know the answer. I heard that the start of the game may be delayed by ESPN because of a basketball game on before it. When would the announce if it is delayed? and if it is, do you know if there is a way that those of us in the parking lot would find out if it is delayed so we can have a couple more brats and drinks (of Mountain Dew of course)? Thank you.
December 13th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
U-Dub-Dub,
Thanks for the heads up about the possible delay. I was going to set my DVD R to record the game. There is an unfortunate chance that I may not be able to see it live in the comfort of my living room (with a fridge full of soda, of course).
December 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Yeah, I have it recording, but as always with any sporting event I set the show after it to record also. In this case it is sportscenter, which I’m sure will highlight the game.
December 13th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Well,
I think we had the floating start kick in during the MUC/Trinity year, and it was not that much of a difference. If a game runs long with a lot of time outs or free throws late, then the start goes back by a few minutes. If there’s overtime it could be an issue, but i really don’t think there’s any way you could get an announcement that would let you know to start your tapes later or tailgate longer.
You can have ESPN on or you can listen to the D3football.com webcast (which somehow always seems to be available in the parking lot) and we’ll keep you up to date, but it’s not going to be more than a matter of minutes anyway.
Unless there’s some other kind of delay that I’m completely unaware. And with how I’ve been finiding out things from Pat lately (stupid Connecticut!), that’s possible
December 13th, 2006 at 5:59 pm
Best Sports Bar in Roanoke is the Sports Page. It’s about 5 minutes from downtown, and trust me……the best chicken wings in Virginia. Other good food too, but the wings are the best.
December 13th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Hey FLUSH (don’t tempt me)
What championship swagger do you attain without a championship?
Yea that two QB thing isn’t working either. At least according to the NCAA.
Total Offense #1
Rushing Offense #2
Passing Offense #68 (so we run a little more)
Scoring Offense #1
Team Passing Efficiency #1 I think 2 QB’s have something to do with that.
If Garcon is window dressing I’ll take a house full.
The only way Kmic does not get 100 yds is because he gets 200 yds or he doesn’t play the whole game. Inside info you heard it here…Kmic is the real window dressing and he isn’t going to get the ball once the whole game. Bank on it and be sure to tell the Warhawks.
With permission from the NWC & GHC (TM) phone it in.
Suspect pass defense?
Total defense #2
Rushing defense #1
Pass efficiency defense #8….WW #21 Exploit exploit.
Scoring defense #2
I know I know..Mount Union hasn’t seen a team like this yet?
Never mind I can’t resist…….fluuuuuuuuuuuuuushhhhhhhh there you go.
Enjoy the swirl.
Coming to the game to support your team? I’ll buy you a beer. You’ll be thirsty after your trip.
December 13th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
Thank you Kieth. Now I won’t have to change my pregame routine, except for the time change and the later game time.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Mainjack,
You know how I get (or maybe you don’t) when I see these superlatives:
“the best chicken wings in Virginia”
Really now? They beat all of Tidewater, Richmond, No. Va.?
My guess would be Pierce’s Pit Bar-B-Q outside of Williamsburg, but I don’t think I’ve ever had wings there.
Now back to your regularly scheduled commentary.
Here’s a relevant question: Who’s gonna have the best wings in a parking lot in Salem, Virginia?
December 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
D3Keith,
Can’t tell you about the parking lot, but I can tell you this….if you go to the Sports page, you will experience the biggest and best chicken wings this side of the Mississippi. your choice of about 10 different sauces, accompanied by one large screen TV, and another 10-12 smaller TV’s. All with a different game going on. Check it out. it’s worth the time.
I traveled all of Virginia for 5 years, been to tidewater, the beach, richmond, DC area, even williamsburg. Superbowl 2005, they sold over 1000 orders of their wings. try it……you’ll like it.
December 13th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
Don’t forget Hooters, they have pretty good wings.
And I don’t know about best wings in the parking lot, but we’re gonna be grilling some brats out there.
December 13th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
D3Keith and any one else that was following the wings blog.
My Bad. I said the name was the Sports Page. My Alzheimers is taking over. The joint is called the “All Sports Cafe”. the address is is 2326 Grandin Rd, Roanoke, Va. One of those neighborhood places you go to without thinking. Sorry for the confusion.
“ALL SPORTS CAFE”
If you have time, it’s worth the stop.
December 13th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
It be interesting to see how MU reacts while being blown out this Saturday. UWW offense will roll. UWW 49-10 Nate Kmic meet the UWW D Line. It will be quite the victory party. We are Capital but like a 4 times better offense. Jacobs will probably be playing Sundays next year. Stanley too. Do people on this board really give MU a chance???? They have not beaten anyone all year.
December 13th, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Ok flush…I’ll bite. I’d like to see UWW win Sat. but 49 to 10…come on!! I tell ya what…I’ll take MU and 39 points for say a million bucks!!
:)
December 13th, 2006 at 11:51 pm
johnnies….
stanley may have a shot at the next level, but jacobs??? im a huuuuge fan, but their are a thousand qb’s around just like him. i really think u need to tone it down a bit. as a uww fan i hope they win, but ur getting a little overboard. dont make us look bad by being so darn cocky.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:12 am
I can’t say who will have the “best” chicken in the parkinglot but I do know who will have the most. 120 lbs of fresh chicken will be grilled up at our little tailgate. Stop by if you get a chance, we might have something purple for you!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:34 am
Please don’t think that all of us are like Johnnies or GOP, these are not true fans. As far as we know this is going to be one of the most evenly matched and well played Stagg Bowl’s in histpry. Both teams are great at this point in the season. MU comes in with so much respect, any team that has won 8 championships in 12 years has created a dynasty.
As far as chicken goes, real football fans like U-Dub-Dub aren’t that worried about the chicken and really care about the brats. Don’t fill yourself up save room for the Wisconsin tradition.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:48 am
Johnnies, shut your mouth so one of us doesn’t have to do it for you…
It’s good to be confident, but you are just spewing straight bs…
get real, i would like to think that the UWW d-line is going to brick wall Kmic, but really i know its gonna be a battle in the trenches all day… good ol’ smashmouth football… the countdown clock is ticking… and I got enough room in my stomach for some good WI brats, and some chicken too!!!
See you all on Saturday!!!
May the best team win!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:58 am
Believe me, we have heard of Johnsonville in the South as well. I agree brats are a must and have already received orders for that Wisconsin tradition also. We will have a few of those swimming in a beer bath with scallions, onions, and peppers. Taste is key, nothing but the best man!
Go Purple!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:25 am
That’s OK “johnnies is still spinning from the swirlly he got earlier. He has no idea what direction he is coming from. Pretty clear from his posts.
Flushie you never answered my question.
What time are you getting to Salem/Roanoke?
Well put BCLlamaguy….Go Purple….so politically correct! LOL.
Looking forward to your tailgate.
See ya Saturday.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:37 am
UWW 31 MUC 24 BANK IT!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 8:15 am
We’ll have some stellar wings in our area of the parking lot. Feel free to stop by, even if you are a Warhawk fan. I remeber reading a comment at the beginning of this whole forum thingy from a UW-W fan who asked other fans to tone down the smack talk, mostly due to the verbal assault they took last year after the Stagg Bowl. I guess some of them didn’t learn their lesson. I’m not saying Mount’s gonna roll UW-W or anything, but 49 to 10. Two days ago, I posted a stat that the last time Mount ever lost by even 21 points was November 4th, 1989 to John Carroll. That was 17 years ago!!!! I’ve been to 5 Stagg Bowls, counting this one on Saturday, and this may be the best match-up and the game I’m looking forward to the most. (Although it’ll be hard to beat the 2000 match-up against St. John’s when we won on the last second field goal from Rodney Chenos…even though he did do a summersault on Sportscenter)It’s going to be a shootout, both D’s will step it up, and the level of coaching in this one may be unparalleled, especially at the D-3 level. I said it before, both teams are deserving of a national championship, but 49-10; don’t waste my time!
December 14th, 2006 at 8:32 am
I have to agree with warhawktrumpet on two levels there, that I don’t think johnnies represents us well and wish he would tone it down a bit. AND, I DO love my brats. We’ll be starting out there in Salem no later than noon and we’ll have our Johnsonville Brats ready to go, all 24 of them.
NOW, for my prediction, UWW-209 MUC-5, we’ll keep ‘em close for a bit, let them think they have a chance and then put on the afterburners for the last 59 minutes.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:37 am
HAHA, I had to put a shot out in for the superfans, but for real, like ya’ll are saying, it’s going to be close. But I think that if the ‘Hawks can open it up a bit and score a few early that will force the Raiders to turn to their passing game, which seems, from what I’ve read, to be a bit inconsistent, good, but inconsitent. I think that that is going to happen, so, I think the ‘Hawks will win by a bit more than a single score, maybe 35-24, somewhere in there.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:26 am
Few stats for ya………MUC Qb’s completed 195 passes in 298 attempts for a 65% completion percentage for 2,760 yeards. Thats 197.1 yards per game with 31 TD passes….Garcon has 59 catches for 1096 yards and 15 TD’s……..Thats not exactly a model of inconsistency, and I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say thats a little better than good…….UW-W averages only 30 more yards per game passing, and has only 7 more TD passes…….Its OK though, because Kmic has almost as many yards by himself rushing as the entire UW-W team, and Mount as a whole has about 1700 more yards rushing…..You know what they say about the team that can run the ball and control the line of scrimmage……….Sounds like a balance of give and take! Cant wait to see it play out on the field!
December 14th, 2006 at 9:56 am
ATO, I agree that it was tough to beat the 2000 SJU-MUC matchup, though most MUC fans weren’t expecting such a great game coming in.
I’m not sure I’d say that the caliber of this coaching matchup is unparalleled in D3. I’m always partial to the Gagliardi-Kehres matchups. The Gagliardi-Frosty Westering matchups were also fantastic; each time the two met, they set an NCAA record for most combined wins between opposing coaches.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:06 am
I’d like to be in the locker room on Saturday when LK addresses the team before the game…I dont know much…okay probably nothing, about coaching football…but from a motivational standpoint, I would think that LK would want to emphasize this team’s chance to become part of the storied history of MUC football teams by bringing home the W…sure, they haven’t blown out their opponents in the playoffs like in year’s past…and it’s been a while since the team has even come close to being considered any kind of underdog….but if they go out there and play with heart, and play the kind of smash mouth football they’ve come to be known for…I think they will be hard to beat…not saying it can’t be done…but, it will be tough to do…what’s that line…”show me a boxer who’s all heart and I’ll show you a boxer waiting for a beating…” yeah, that’s not us…MUC has the muscle to back up the heart…and LK will have them ready…
December 14th, 2006 at 10:33 am
Ok, another question for any informed person:
Are replay reviews going to be used again this year?
I think it was a good addition last year to the game, even though it hurt us a bit. I really haven’t seen anything on that issue yet.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:12 am
I think they’re doing replays in all the championship games, D-1 AA, D-2, & D-3. It’s great for the game, and it takes the referee-blowing-a-call element out of the game. As long as there’s no Oklahoma-Oregon type of drama on Saturday, because it may come down to an onside kick for someone.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:40 am
Gosh, that would have been great to have in 2003. Likely wouldn’t have changed the outcome but they were horrible — bad mistakes for both sides. Worst crew I’ve ever seen work a big game.
The Eastern Ref Hall of Shame, truly deserving of scoffing:
Officials: Referee: John Marshall; Umpire: Richard De Mayo;
Linesman: Brian Hydier; Line judge: Thomas Meehan; Field judge: Bob Finnecy; Side judge: P. Di Domenico
Complete pack of bozos.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:46 am
Here’s the scary part — Finnecy who was out of position most of the game and should have seen either of Elliott’s feet come down inbounds … is now leading crews in the Ivy.
Here’s hoping for better on Saturday.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
Anyone catch the top 32 teams of all time last night on ESPN2 and ESPN Classic? The 95′ Nebraska team, with Frazier, Phillips, & Co. won it all. Do you think we can get enough nominations for Division 3 teams of the past 25 years or so, and bracket them off. Let the nominations fly!!! I nominate MUC’s 1997 & their 1993 N.C. teams….anyone else? Maybe St Johns 2003 team? I know them Albion teams of the late 80’s and early 90’s are deserving as well…And the 1978(?) Baldwin-wallace team led by Lee Tressel, and lastly the 1999 Pac-Lutheran team….Whats else ya got?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
warhawktrumpet,
Thank you for questioning my pride in your schools football program. You obviously haven’t been around this site all season. I have supported and defended UWW for years, as well as the whole WIAC conference, which I have called the best conference in D3.
You said, “As far as we know this is going to be one of the most evenly matched and well played Stagg Bowl’s in histpry”. No kidding!! I was the one who said flipping a coin on this game would be useless, since the coin would land on it’s edge.
The next time you blow your horn,trumpet or kazoo, at least know what your writing about. I can’t speak for Johnnies.
I’ll root for UWW in spite of you.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
I called a UWW blowout over Wesley. I was ripped on for doing that and it came in. I am calling a UWW blowout over MU. Sat night I will be gloating over that call. UWW just has too much talent and speed at the skilled positions. I got nothing against MU they had a good year. They just don’t have the horses. Kmic will not get to second level against these linebackers. Jorris looked awesome in Stagg bowl last year, he has been very bad lately. So seriously how can MU win this game? Barring some turnover explosion like St Johns had against UWW last year. Look for something like 38-7. Bob B out of respect for MU would never run up a big number.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
I can’t believe some of the score predictions. I’ve been to every mu game, and I just can’t believe how good defensively they are this year. I’ve watched every single oppenents qb running for his life. Just ask Penetello. They are in the backfield it seems like every single play. Out of all 8 titles, this by far is the best defense they’ve had. MU-21 UWW-10
December 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
Flushed:
Thanks for the Comments! I’m sure they’ll be hanging on a locker somewhere this weekend.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
OU #25 - I think flush’s name says it all, great rebuttle on your part!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Hey, I respect Flush’s right to post his opinion. I’m not so sure he really believes it though because I already said I would take MU and 31 for a million bucks. You know …just for fun…to make the game a little more interesting.
OK…ok, if you aren’t a million dollars sure about your prediction….how about a half mil? :):)
December 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Did everyone just feel that???
That was big old Mr. Momentum sliding across the football field from WW’s side to Mount’s. It’s kind of funny how players and/or fans who publicly disrepect their opponent tend to have it blow up in their face. WW may win Saturday but any emotional edge that they had just got “FLUSHED” away.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
GOP -
I realize that you have defended the Warhawks all year and can understand the feeling you have about the WIAC. It’s not the concept of the WIAC being the best conference and the Warhawks beating MU this weekend but the way you state it. Flush does the same thing, I watched this message board get filled up by posters like you last year and then you ran away when MU came home with a championship. I think the Warhawks have a good chance to win this Saturday but post it with some respect and own up to the posters when you are wrong.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
OU#25, Aren’t you being a little dramatic. Don’t think that anything an over-aggressive poster has to say on this blog will help Mr Momentum find a home on either side of the field. (Flush is an idiot IMHO) More important to players usually is what other players say about them and UWW has handled themselves with nothing but respect and admiration for the Raiders program. Besides, having come up short last year is probably all the emotional edge the Hawks need. Nice try though! LOL
December 14th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Come Saturday night I expect a lot of apologies on here about outcome. I will be waiting. I mean seriously this is biggest football game of these kids lives you really think they get additional motivation from a message board??? All you guys were wrong about Wesley game, I would have made fortune with 30 point spread in that game. This UWW is way to talented. Alliance wll be humbled the next nine months
December 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Don’t try to stop the slide…it’s too late. If you don’t think players/coaches read this board you’re out of touch.
You would be suprised what motivates players past the X’s & O’s. Unless you’re a fomer collegiate player you might not understand the effects of feeling disrespected.
The emotional edge HAS SWUNG. Nice try to stop it on your part though.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Perhaps it speaks to Flush’s state of mind that he defines himself (or at least his handle) by a regional opponent …
Still … about the bulletin board material: please, if the MUC program is getting its motivation from a bunch of yahoos on a board, then they are in trouble.
Just somehow, I think their motivation might be a wee bit deeper and more sophicated …
December 14th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Alright flush, I will take Mount Union +31 for $100……..If you truly believe the fecal matter that is spewing from your mouth, then I’ll call your bluff! Don’t ever confuse Mount Union for Wesley…I’m happy you called that one, really I am, but dont confuse Mount Union with Wesley!
December 14th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
I think Flush is a little too excited. I think a UWW win might just do him in. They have medications for that.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:10 pm
Flush, I love the enthusiasm, but you have to be realistic, and show a little respect to this Mount Union team. I admit, I was one of the many that thought that UWW/Wesley would be a close game. I was wrong along with the majority of the d3 football world, but just because a game expected to be close turns into a blowout doesn’t make an overzealous fan that predicted that blowout a genius.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Flush,
The difference between your prediction for the Wesley game and this one is that UWW in the recent past had in fact smoked Wesley badly. So I don’t think anyone would have felt it was so out of place except maybe Weslay fans.
As for this game in regulation the last time anyone scored 49 on MUC was in the 70’s I think. In fact MUC has given up more than 14 points 1 time this year. UWW has given up more than 14 4 times this year.
Also your prediciton would hold more water if the history of the two schools didn’t read MUC 3 UWW 0 with average scores of 40 something to about 20.
That said I think this is alow scoring game maybe 21-17 or 17-14 MUC either way.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
My suggestion, Gentlemen is just to stop engaging him. It usually works eventually.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
wow ou…
get serious about the momentum stuff. u actually think a lot of these players and coaches have time to look at the message board??? when they do, i highly doubt it fires them up one way or another. get real.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
wow ou…
get serious about the momentum stuff. u actually think a lot of these players and coaches have time to look at the message board??? when they do, i highly doubt it fires them up one way or another. get real.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
warhawktrumpet,
You can stop trying to sound Holy now. I personally think your hot air is depleating your brain of much needed oxygen.
You obviously have not been reading my posts.
I know, you would probably stand in the snow for a month with only shorts and a t-shirt on in order to get tickets for your team (since you are not a poser), and I would only dis your honest credibilty and good standing.
So is how I say that disturbing the force? Don’t you have a “Trekie” convention to be going to?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:41 pm
I will admit to not seeing Mount Union this year but having seen them play in person and on TV 5 times in 6 years and given their reputation…I know enough…
MUC is very talented…very disciplined and a solid football team, the same can be said for WW…I think the edge has to go to WW based on what I saw against St. John’s…they have the fastest defense I have seen in quite some time…all 3 linebackers can go from sideline to sideline very well, they can stop the run with the front seven…
WW wins this one…28-17…Joining St. John’s as the only team to beat MUC in a Stagg Bowl…
December 14th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
GOP -
Are we seriously fighting as fans of the same team, calm down a little. Go to the game, have a good time and cheer on WW. Hopefully both of us will come home happy, relax and have a beer.
This should be a good one I can’t wait to leave.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
The disrespect for the OAC is amazing. There is not a coach in DIII that can adjust during a game like LK. If Kmic isn’t getting his 200+, you will see Garcon getting a lot of touches, and if that isn’t working you will see Micheli working the option. Just too many weapons for anyone to handle. Once again for UWW, a good year, but wrong year to face Mount.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
again with the disrespect???? i thought we got over all that a couple weeks ago
December 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pm
Any chance Larry K will run for President in ‘08?
December 14th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Neither of these teams has been disrespected come on now. How can a coach with eight championships ever be disrespected. The whole OAC WIAC thing was over weeks ago. Both teams came out of a tough conference undefeated, let it go.
As long as it means Mount won’t have him as a coach I’ll vote!
December 14th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Why is is so hard to believe somebody can blow out MU. UWW moved the ball up and down the field against them but just failed in the red zone last year. There have been blowouts in this stagg game before, so I dont see why its a big deal that there is one this year. UWW is hungry, a storied coache’s last game, and all kinds of talent equals trouble for MU. MU is good but people on here fail to realize they are realing. Whole QB issue, Garcon is hurt, unimpressive wins late in the season. UWW playing lots of quality opponents this year will benefit them. I am looking forward to the next year each with one stagg bowl win against each other, playing one more game to decide who is top dog.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Apparently not…9’s got a point…
I’m not saying that I fault any warhawk fans, b/c if you want to beat a team like Mount, you’ve got to believe that you can…and the fans are just trying to back their team, and give them a confidence boost…But guys, you don’t win 8 championships and not have a little something up your sleeve…some comments make it sounds like LK is sitting in a corner somewhere, bawling his eyes out, saying..”what I do against those crazy warhawks”….he and the team will be ready to play…not everyone of the MUC title teams have been the same…game plans change…players change…LK has recruited and coached those teams to victory…warhawks, sentimental fav? sure….great players…definitely…but dont think for one moment that anybody on the MUC sideline is scared to play you guys…by the way, the same players that are being disrespected…YES, there’s the D word UWWF…Garcon, Kmic, Jorris…smoked you last year…come back on here and talk trash after you’ve beaten them…
December 14th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
disrespect???? again??? dont waste our time. no one has gone on a serious rant about the OAC for weeks!!!……How about the MUC fans talkin some smack?
“Garcon, Kmic, Jorris…smoked you last year…”
“Just too many weapons for anyone to handle. Once again for UWW, a good year, but wrong year to face Mount.”
You are throwing in your opinion just like the UWW fans. Please lose the disrespect talk.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
that’s not smack UWW..thats what happened….
December 14th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
im just rattling stuff off…gettin’ too crazy…time to step away…
let’s just see how it turns out…glad the game is on ESPN…great exposure for both programs…i’m done…
December 14th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
If UWW was in the OAC, they would be like Capital has been the last 2 years and Ohio Norhern before that. A good team, in a great conference, that has to play Mount (maybe twice in 1 year). And once they make that last trek to alliance, well, they can hold their heads up high and say they had a good year.
Just having some fun guys, enjoying all the good sportsmanship.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
I really enjoy all the “this is our year”, “UWW is hungrier”, “we have the talent”, “Garcon is hurt” etc. I do think you have to believe your team will win, or why play the game. As far as Garcon being hurt, as long as he can still be 10 yards ahead of the d-backs, I think he can make that catch 90% of the time. I’m just glad it’s his finger and not his leg.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
(sigh) I miss the well thought out discussion.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
Past tradition means nothing here. Its this group of players playing not guys from the past. MU is realing here. You cant just right the ship, winning in football needs to be progressive thing. I thought Jorris was the difference last year in the Stagg but he has fallen into LK’s doghouse. Kmic carried the team last week. UWW front 7 may be the best ever in Division 3, they will stop Kmic you can take that to the bank. UWW is on the right page now. Look for 200 plus game for Beaver. Who on MU can block Kleppe, he will be in backfield every play.
UWW carrys Coach off the field UWW 42 - MU 17.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:03 pm
Really, People, at this point, you just got to laugh!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 6:30 pm
Let’s look at some facts.
Fact - Both teams are exceptional
Fact - One team has won championships at an incredible rate
Fact - Nate Kmic ran for 185 yards against UWW in last year’s Stagg Bowl.
Fact - On 2 more carries Justin Beaver had 60 less yards
Fact - Last years game was a blowout at one point and the final score is deceiving considering UWW last touchdown came with 2 seconds left on the clock.
Fact - Again, UWW is an exceptional team but they are still the team with something to prove and a monkey on their back. Look at their history vs. MUC
Fact - In the last 17 years only once has Mount Union lost by more than 17 points. Anyone who thinks/predicts that they will be blown out is blowing smoke.
Fact - Half of UWW yards came in the 4th quarter of the game last year when they were launching a desperation comeback. When the game was on the line in the second and third quarters the WW offense produced 232 yards on 52 plays.
Last years game was great only in the fact that UWW showed that they had tremendous heart in the 4th quarter. Personally, I think we’re in for a better overall game this year but don’t be surprised if the same characters drive MUC once again.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Addendum to the last post.
UWW had 52 plays for 232 yards from their SECOND possession of the game until the fourth quarter.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
I’d like to bring this back to an analysis of the matchups in this game. I haven’t seen either team, outside of about 1.5 quarters of UWW-Wesley (until it got really ugly) and about 3 quarters of MUC-SJF on the webcasts.
Most people seem to agree that UWW needs to at least slow down Kmic to have a good chance at winning. If their linebackers are as fast as people say (it’s really hard to tell on a webcast), that will obviously help. But the line is also going to have to be exceptional. Obviously, Kleppe is an elite player, and I’m sure the rest of UWW’s line is also quite good. You don’t put up the defensive numbers they have without being outstanding.
Here’s my question: what is the best “type” of defensive line to combat MUC’s mammoth, and very good, offensive line? In the perfect world, i.e. the NFL, you have linemen who are both big and fast. There aren’t a ton of them at this level, though Kleppe seems to be an exception.
The MUC o-line was highly praised coming into the 2003 Stagg Bowl. They outweighed SJU’s d-line by extraordinarily large amounts. But the defensive line had a fantastic day. Jeremy Hood, who might have weighed 220, was beating MUC’s huge NFL prospect on many plays, making tackles for a loss and drawing holding penalties.
Do the Warhawks have a defensive line that matches up well with MUC’s offensive line? To me, that’s one of they keys to this game.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
Roll Call
Who is coming to Salem to see the game in person?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:11 pm
Short comment from the road.
Sitting in O’Hare airport this afternoon.
In the span of two hours I saw 4 WW fans heading to Roanoke, another Mt Union alumni and a ONU alumni all talking football.
D3 is everywhere!
December 14th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
Raiderguy,
The roll call has been going on for about a week on the Stone Station thread on Post Patterns (under General Football, I believe)
December 14th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
Mainjack,
That’s what I like to hear. If you’ve traveled the whole state and you still say Front Page has the dopest wings in Va., then I’m there.
Looking back at last year’s game, it was 28-7 at one point, so I kind of remembered it as not as close as it looked.
But taking a closer look this week, I remembered that the pass to Pete Schmitt in the end zone which was ruled incomplete and upheld by replay would have tied it at 14 going into the half.
Kmic’s 95-yard TD early in the third broke it open, but UWW closed to 28-21 with 8:37 left.
Mount Union then took 12 plays to go 71 yards in 5:39 to ice the game, and they definitely earned it on that drive.
But considering one score separated the teams for that much of the 4th quarter, the tension was high and worthy of being painted as a good game, when you look back at it.
PBP and stats are on Mount’s site. I posted the link and tried the coding, but both ways it was so long it offset the whole blog.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Don’t count Garcon out. Same situation existed in 1993 Stagg Bowl as Ed Bubonics had a monster game at WR with a broken hand as MUC dumped Rowan for first title. Don’t be surprised if Jorris passes for over 300 yards.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
It does sound like some MUC fans are fabricating a ‘no respect’ theme … I guess because they’re bored.
Granted, as I mentioned in the column, every year a team comes into the Stagg Bowl on high, and every year just about Mount sends them home.
But these teams have mutual respect for each other, and I think they’ve both earned it. Nobody with a clue is predicting a blowout, and I haven’t heard anyone from either team even hint at a lack of respect … and it sounds genuine, not like ‘well my coach told me don’t give them any bulletin board material.’
I have an e-mail in my inbox right now that takes issue with me calling Mount Union ‘goliath’ (as if that’s absurd) and claims that general opinion …
Well here, just read our exchange yourselves … (name omitted, in case the fella didn’t intend for this to go public)
December 14th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
As far as I know, replay is back.
And it didn’t hurt UWW last year. Three calls were reviewed, and the officials’ call was upheld each time.
Now the Blake Elliott call in ‘03 … that was the most famous blown call in D3 that I can remember.
Great catch too. Kid was GOOD.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
funny stuff, all. i’m surprised by some of the score predictions. these are two amazing defenses. i won’t be surprised if the total points is under 40, and closer to 30.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
Yeah, I took my “official” prediction down 7 points on each side after I thought about it some more, and that occurred to me.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Capital, Baldwin-Wallace, Marietta, Ohio Northern, John Carroll, Otterbein, Wilmington, Muskingum, and Heidelberg take note Saturday on how to do it. You guys have only done it once in ten years I believe. Watch and learn how to do it. Rocky Pentello watch J Jacobs Saturday . How he handles pressure and carves up the secondary. I cant wait. Everyone will have to eat crow and say i was right Saturday night!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 10:00 pm
Got to agree with buddy…Two great teams that will score, but both defenses will keep it close. I like the under 40
December 14th, 2006 at 10:15 pm
i agree that both teams have very solid d’s. however their offenses are waaay too good. its going to be a shoot out. combined near 55-60
December 14th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
Any coward can run his mouth. Just shows what a jerk is. It’s sad flush the johnnies can even post here with a name like that. I’m sure at the game he’s always one of those guys spending more time yelling at the other team than cheering on his own. And if Whitewater wins he’ll be gloating like a bigger jerk as if spouting off at the mouth actually means anything, and if Mount Union wins he will wither away into another stupid name. Reminds me of a lot of the Trinity posters in 2002. Too bad really, no place for it here, especially for what looks like the makings of a great game on Saturday.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
Not sure Flush is one of those “guys.”
December 14th, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Don’t tell the Rowan fans that.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Like it or not, the Mount Union Purple Raiders ARE the Goliath of D3 football…PERIOD!! They will still be whether they win Saturday or not. UWW can put a chink in that armor by winning Saturday but one championship does not a Goliath make. But it’s a start.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
Reading some of the posts makes me jealous that I won’t be able to attend this game. The game should be a a great one showcasing two great defenses along with two terrific RB’s. I watched Kmic last week and he seems to just get stronger as the game goes on. It certainly helps when running behind that great O-Line. Rushing for 371 yards is just mind boggling. I predict Kmic will have success as well on Saturday, and I predict MU defense to step up and play big. If there was a line on the game I think MU would be favored by 7. I think Kmic will be the leading rusher, and he will gain close to 200. As far as a difference maker in the game, I believe that will be LK and his coaching staff. Not only will he have the Raiders prepared for the game, he is incredible at making adjustments and exploiting the opponents weaknesses. It should be a great game and UWW has a great team with alot of talent, but MUC wins 24-10. GO RAIDERS!!
December 15th, 2006 at 1:24 am
Pat: Oh yeah.
Although that wasn’t a blown call. That was cheating.
I was embarassed for myself and my column that week once I saw the end zone angle.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:02 am
Ric,
I thought choosing a one-track-minded name like flush the johnnies was its own reward for this particular commenter. The name is pretty dated now, isn’t it? Talk about short-sighted.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:04 am
Keith,
I disagree. The crew on the field blew the call, regardless of what might have happened in the booth with the clock.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:52 am
I tend to agree w Raidernation. LK does it year after year with different strengths and players. He always seems to find a way to adjust during a game. He is the intangible that makes this dynasty stay on top. He’s had many D I offers but chooses to stay at Mount (unfortunately for all of D III)
December 15th, 2006 at 11:00 am
It’s hard to say whether it’s going to be a shootout or a defensive battle, so let’s just go right in the middle.
i think this is the game where Whitewater is really going to feel the impact of not having Travis Reuland. He’s one of the best blocking/receiving fullbacks around and is a big part of why Beav got all those yards last season. I wouldn’t doubt if Whitewater scrapped the two-back backfield and just went with an extra TE this week.
I see Mount controlling the game until Schebler boots a 51 yarder to win!
December 15th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
I know the hype today is all about the Raiders and the Warhawks, especiallyin our family, where my wife and I are Mount Union grads (63 & 64) and our son is a UW-W graduate (92). As I’ve said in another thread (A Different Trip to Alliance), there will be no true loser in the game. These are possibly the two strongest and most talented D3 football teams ever to play the game, a deep testament to the skills of both coaches, each a fine human being as well as an extaordinary coach.
But as kicloff approaches, let’s also remember three teams that came within 4 points of being in Salem tomorrow. Capital had two losses this year, both to Mount Union, the second of which was by a mere 3 points. It really is a shame that Rocky Pentello never played in the Stagg Bowl. And don’t forget the game effort by UW-LaCrosse and the heartbreaking loss taken by St. John’s in Whitewater on successive weekends. My wife and I attended the Johnnies/Warhawk game, ,and but for an end zone interceptiong by Whitewater that was returned 80 years and eventually resulted in a UW-W touchdown, the Johnnies might be in Salem today. Each of those games was also decided by the slimmest of 3-point margins.
So hurray for Div 3. Congrats to my Purple Raiders and my son’s Warhawks; but also kudos to those other three wonderful teams and their players for giving us all some wonderful moments.
So go Raiders, but may neither team hang their heads after the game. And may the fine young men from Capital, UW-Lacrosse, and St. Johns watch the game and say to themselves, as my old football coach used to say after we lost yet another game, “We done good.”
December 15th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Flush you are full of it man. You say that UWW moved the ball last year but couldn’t score when they got in the red zone? They got intot the red zone 5 times last year and scored touchdowns 4 times. I think they did well when they got there of course twice it was in garbage time.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
Flush why is it so hard to realize someone can blow out the Raiders? Well maybe it is hard to understand how that could happen since it hasn’t happened in 15 years.