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	<title>Comments on: UWW whomping UMHB: What does it mean?</title>
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		<title>By: D3Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>D3Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What it means is that we’re most likely looking at MUC/WWW in Salem again. Ugh.&quot;

Well that&#039;s most definitely the two favorites now, but plenty can happen. And if not, try to enjoy the early-round matchups. :)

The rounds of 16, 8 and 4 are usually a blast the farther you get from Alliance :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What it means is that we’re most likely looking at MUC/WWW in Salem again. Ugh.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well that&#8217;s most definitely the two favorites now, but plenty can happen. And if not, try to enjoy the early-round matchups. <img src='http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The rounds of 16, 8 and 4 are usually a blast the farther you get from Alliance <img src='http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: D3Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>D3Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s only a few D3 &quot;people&quot; who aren&#039;t &quot;just&quot; photographers who would have been assigned to go.

There&#039;s Pat, myself and Adam, the Around the West columnist. (Gordon is booked during the regular season).

Pat and I went to UWW-UMHB last year and when we booked the trip to St. John&#039;s in August or September, we didn&#039;t imagine it would conflict with a No. 2 vs. No. 3 game. 

So the answer is no, but not because the game wasn&#039;t worthy. There&#039;s only a handful of us, and a limited travel budget, and there are more than 100 D3 games each weekend, so we try to spread the love best we can.

It turned out not to be such a bad game to miss, but as I wrote last week in ATN, I was definitely having second thoughts about missing it, and we were very interested in the live updates from there, MUC-Capital, Trinity-Millsaps, W&amp;J-Waynesburg, etc. on Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only a few D3 &#8220;people&#8221; who aren&#8217;t &#8220;just&#8221; photographers who would have been assigned to go.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s Pat, myself and Adam, the Around the West columnist. (Gordon is booked during the regular season).</p>
<p>Pat and I went to UWW-UMHB last year and when we booked the trip to St. John&#8217;s in August or September, we didn&#8217;t imagine it would conflict with a No. 2 vs. No. 3 game. </p>
<p>So the answer is no, but not because the game wasn&#8217;t worthy. There&#8217;s only a handful of us, and a limited travel budget, and there are more than 100 D3 games each weekend, so we try to spread the love best we can.</p>
<p>It turned out not to be such a bad game to miss, but as I wrote last week in ATN, I was definitely having second thoughts about missing it, and we were very interested in the live updates from there, MUC-Capital, Trinity-Millsaps, W&#038;J-Waynesburg, etc. on Saturday.</p>
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		<title>By: D3Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>D3Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why does Mount Union with only 2,000 students have all those rings, while WW and the rest of the 10,000+ schools in the WIAC have none.&quot;

La Crosse won it all in &#039;92 and &#039;95. 

The Eagles went through Alliance to do it the second time, you know, back in the day where Purple Raiders fans actually had to hold their breath every now and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why does Mount Union with only 2,000 students have all those rings, while WW and the rest of the 10,000+ schools in the WIAC have none.&#8221;</p>
<p>La Crosse won it all in &#8216;92 and &#8216;95. </p>
<p>The Eagles went through Alliance to do it the second time, you know, back in the day where Purple Raiders fans actually had to hold their breath every now and again.</p>
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		<title>By: williethewarhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>williethewarhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were any d3football &quot;people&quot; at the game on Saturday?  (Other than just photographers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were any d3football &#8220;people&#8221; at the game on Saturday?  (Other than just photographers)</p>
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		<title>By: donnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>donnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me say hats off to UWW and their defense they played a great offensive and defensive game.  It was a great defensive effort from both football teams with one offense faltering.  Both defenses rose to the occassion to stop the other.  UMHB dug a big hole with the first-half turnovers and could not climb out.  UMHB has always been a running team and just recently established a passing game along with the run.  The passing game was flat and could have been better.  As many of you have stated they should have stayed with their running game however, many teams have been able to prepare and stop a running team with no passing game.   I know the quarter back felt bad and wish he could have played a better game, not to take anything from UWW&#039;S defensive effort it could have been a better game.  As bad as they were beaten and if UMHB meets UWW in the play off&#039;s the outcome will be totally different, it will be a closer game or UMHB could deliver a game performance that will shock everyone.  Remember on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday any team can be beaten or ahve a bad game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me say hats off to UWW and their defense they played a great offensive and defensive game.  It was a great defensive effort from both football teams with one offense faltering.  Both defenses rose to the occassion to stop the other.  UMHB dug a big hole with the first-half turnovers and could not climb out.  UMHB has always been a running team and just recently established a passing game along with the run.  The passing game was flat and could have been better.  As many of you have stated they should have stayed with their running game however, many teams have been able to prepare and stop a running team with no passing game.   I know the quarter back felt bad and wish he could have played a better game, not to take anything from UWW&#8217;S defensive effort it could have been a better game.  As bad as they were beaten and if UMHB meets UWW in the play off&#8217;s the outcome will be totally different, it will be a closer game or UMHB could deliver a game performance that will shock everyone.  Remember on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday any team can be beaten or ahve a bad game.</p>
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		<title>By: 7crudad</title>
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		<dc:creator>7crudad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>parkfore,

We flew into Milwaukee. Great trip and short drive.</description>
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<p>We flew into Milwaukee. Great trip and short drive.</p>
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		<title>By: 7crudad</title>
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		<dc:creator>7crudad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas&#039; sized, ten-gallon hats off to WW! Judge us  rightly on our performance; WE STUNK AND WW STUCK IT TO US! Good teams take advantage of others mistakes. WW deserved to win.

But please don&#039;t misjudge our character. It is customery for MHB to huddle at midfield after pre-game warm-ups. There was no disrespect intended for the &quot;W&quot; or &quot;THE PERK&quot;. We are not the U of Miami!. We have more class than that. It was already a hostile environment, so why aggravate the problem. We have the upmost respect for the WW program.

On the National Anthem, it was an embarassing misunderstanding. MHB is next door to Ft. Hood. The 4ID is frequent guest at our home games and proudy present the Colors. Just a couple of weeks ago, Gen. Hammond gave the pre-game talk to the Cru. He presented Coach Fredenberg a 4ID helmet. Coach Fred presented the Gen. with a Cru helmet. There was hardly a dry eye in the place! He said that he was leaving for Iraq, shortly, and would take the Cru helmet with him and display it proudly. Coach Fred also said that the 4ID helmet would also be proudly displayed in the football office. We regret that this misrepresents the Cru and the fans. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Hopefully, the Cru will regroup, get to the dance and see WW again. 

WW has a great tradition, as well as the Cru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas&#8217; sized, ten-gallon hats off to WW! Judge us  rightly on our performance; WE STUNK AND WW STUCK IT TO US! Good teams take advantage of others mistakes. WW deserved to win.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t misjudge our character. It is customery for MHB to huddle at midfield after pre-game warm-ups. There was no disrespect intended for the &#8220;W&#8221; or &#8220;THE PERK&#8221;. We are not the U of Miami!. We have more class than that. It was already a hostile environment, so why aggravate the problem. We have the upmost respect for the WW program.</p>
<p>On the National Anthem, it was an embarassing misunderstanding. MHB is next door to Ft. Hood. The 4ID is frequent guest at our home games and proudy present the Colors. Just a couple of weeks ago, Gen. Hammond gave the pre-game talk to the Cru. He presented Coach Fredenberg a 4ID helmet. Coach Fred presented the Gen. with a Cru helmet. There was hardly a dry eye in the place! He said that he was leaving for Iraq, shortly, and would take the Cru helmet with him and display it proudly. Coach Fred also said that the 4ID helmet would also be proudly displayed in the football office. We regret that this misrepresents the Cru and the fans. Nothing could be further from the truth.</p>
<p>Hopefully, the Cru will regroup, get to the dance and see WW again. </p>
<p>WW has a great tradition, as well as the Cru.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if someone else said this... but essential in the discussion of stats here is thinking about the situation in this game most of the way.  UWW had a comfortable lead going early on... with that, the last thing you want to do is take the kind of risks that could get your opponent back into the game.  UWW had little incentive or reason to really go down the field much.  For the majority of the game as long as they were taking time off the clock their possessions were successful.  Same with the defense... bend but dont break.  Dont let MHB just walk down the field, which they didnt.  MHB got some running yardage mainly but were generally held in check most of the time.  It was extremely clear to me that UWW was a far better team, and not just from the turnovers, though you cant dismiss them.  UWW sure looked more physical and aggressive and they went out and got those turnovers and took them in for points.   Anyway, when you find yourself up 21-0 relatively quickly... I think there is some normality to cooling the engines a bit in terms of not taking chances.   There was some wind there... so that also limits what you try to do if you are ahead... and yet UWW still did an effective job passing for some first downs in the second half.  I do think the score was very indicative of the difference in the teams.  I really have only seen three UWW games in my life... so I am not judging this from being a UWW fan, I am judging it from what I saw as a fan of football in general (which is the reason I went to see a game of &#039;#2 vs #3&#039;).  When I saw UWW against UW-Oshkosh, two weeks prior, they didnt look as dominant... but, I was shocked that MHB was the second ranked team in the nation... they did not look THAT good in any phase.  You could tell they could run against a team that cant tackle... but, UWW, like most good teams, can.  All in all... UWW really earned this game... and come on... think a little more about the obvious reasons why UWW didnt rack up more yardage stats... the winner is not declared by that stat, they had no real incentive to have to drive the whole field and score.  As it turned out, they had double the points they needed to win by halftime!  Of course, you cant sit on a lead against a major team... but you still do minimize risks at that point.  UWW played great and was coached fantastically... it really was as dominating as it seemed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if someone else said this&#8230; but essential in the discussion of stats here is thinking about the situation in this game most of the way.  UWW had a comfortable lead going early on&#8230; with that, the last thing you want to do is take the kind of risks that could get your opponent back into the game.  UWW had little incentive or reason to really go down the field much.  For the majority of the game as long as they were taking time off the clock their possessions were successful.  Same with the defense&#8230; bend but dont break.  Dont let MHB just walk down the field, which they didnt.  MHB got some running yardage mainly but were generally held in check most of the time.  It was extremely clear to me that UWW was a far better team, and not just from the turnovers, though you cant dismiss them.  UWW sure looked more physical and aggressive and they went out and got those turnovers and took them in for points.   Anyway, when you find yourself up 21-0 relatively quickly&#8230; I think there is some normality to cooling the engines a bit in terms of not taking chances.   There was some wind there&#8230; so that also limits what you try to do if you are ahead&#8230; and yet UWW still did an effective job passing for some first downs in the second half.  I do think the score was very indicative of the difference in the teams.  I really have only seen three UWW games in my life&#8230; so I am not judging this from being a UWW fan, I am judging it from what I saw as a fan of football in general (which is the reason I went to see a game of &#8216;#2 vs #3&#8242;).  When I saw UWW against UW-Oshkosh, two weeks prior, they didnt look as dominant&#8230; but, I was shocked that MHB was the second ranked team in the nation&#8230; they did not look THAT good in any phase.  You could tell they could run against a team that cant tackle&#8230; but, UWW, like most good teams, can.  All in all&#8230; UWW really earned this game&#8230; and come on&#8230; think a little more about the obvious reasons why UWW didnt rack up more yardage stats&#8230; the winner is not declared by that stat, they had no real incentive to have to drive the whole field and score.  As it turned out, they had double the points they needed to win by halftime!  Of course, you cant sit on a lead against a major team&#8230; but you still do minimize risks at that point.  UWW played great and was coached fantastically&#8230; it really was as dominating as it seemed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: parkfore</title>
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		<dc:creator>parkfore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent of a UMHB player I can honestly state that there was no direct or indirect actions by our team prior to the game to disrespect UWW. Our 2 punt returners stand at mid-field and receive a punt each. The team converges on the last one and they get together at mid-field. Just so happens there was a big purple &quot;W&quot; there this time. This gathering of players is done before every game and is not mentioned to show anyone up. As to the national anthem I think that was a situation of misinformation to our coach. We have been on the sideline for each of our previous games prior to the national anthem being played. I forgot that we were playing a state school as there was no pre-game invocation like our previous 7 games.
As to the game, the best team on that day won. We got away from our bread and butter to early. UWW was the best team this day. Hopefully a rematch will show a better effort by UMHB. 1st trip to Wisconsin beautiful drive and courteous fans. But, is there an easy way to get there from Chicago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent of a UMHB player I can honestly state that there was no direct or indirect actions by our team prior to the game to disrespect UWW. Our 2 punt returners stand at mid-field and receive a punt each. The team converges on the last one and they get together at mid-field. Just so happens there was a big purple &#8220;W&#8221; there this time. This gathering of players is done before every game and is not mentioned to show anyone up. As to the national anthem I think that was a situation of misinformation to our coach. We have been on the sideline for each of our previous games prior to the national anthem being played. I forgot that we were playing a state school as there was no pre-game invocation like our previous 7 games.<br />
As to the game, the best team on that day won. We got away from our bread and butter to early. UWW was the best team this day. Hopefully a rematch will show a better effort by UMHB. 1st trip to Wisconsin beautiful drive and courteous fans. But, is there an easy way to get there from Chicago?</p>
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		<title>By: repete</title>
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		<dc:creator>repete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, all in all, it was my mistake using &quot;out of date.&quot;  Sorry &#039; bout that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, all in all, it was my mistake using &#8220;out of date.&#8221;  Sorry &#8216; bout that.</p>
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