Game day: Round of 16
Nov
2008
We’re a little more than an hour from kickoff on the three Eastern Time Zone games Saturday, in Alliance, Ohio; Crawfordsville, Ind.; and Cortland, N.Y.
D3football.com will be coming to you live from the home of the Red Dragons with audio at noon, and will cap the day with a broadcast of UW-Whitewater at Willamette at 3 p.m. The defending national champions and the West No. 1 seed have the “airwaves” to themselves in a broadcast that’s not online elsewhere, and doesn’t feature live stats or video (that we know of).
If one of the four Central Time Zone games is what you’re after, we’ll be around to chat and provide updates about those too.
Links to video (from Millsaps and Monmouth), live stats (from Mount Union, Wabash, Mary Hardin-Baylor and North Central) and audio from all eight games are on our scoreboard page.
The floor is open. Have at it.
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November 29th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Cortland will do what Ithaca should have done….Red Dragons by 21 points
November 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am
I think Wartburg’s offense is just good enough to get it done today. Monmouth has played tremendously on offense all year but this will be the toughest defense the Scots have faced. I think the MWC was certainly better this year than in the past, but the level of competition leading up to the playoffs still isn’t good enough for our teams to think about regional championships. The Scots will be very competitive in a loss.
Wartburg 24
Monmouth 21
November 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Bit of a different feeling out here as it’s not even 9 a.m. and waiting for games to start. Gotta get some breakfast and find a spot near the stadium with wifi access.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Imagine what it is like when you live in Hawai’i. The NFL comes on at breakfast!
November 29th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Wabash strikes first capitalizing on a Wheaton interception;
Wabash 7-0
November 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
MUC 14-0… Hobart isn’t playing bad, but MUC always makes decent teams look like middle school teams…
November 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Wheaton rolls down the field tying the game at 7-7 7 minutes to go in the 1st.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Wheaton’s Ittersagen returns a punt 70 yds for a TD. PAT is good. Thunder leads 14-7.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Ittersagen 70-yard punt return makes it 14-7 Wheaton.
MUC 14-0 at the quarter mark. 12 rushes for 105 yards, incl. 9 for 82 and 2 TDs from Kmic.
Cortland 7-0
November 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Hobart misses 30 yard field goal… Still 14-0 MUC
November 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
So I won’t post anything about Pete Ittersagen’s TD return? That seems like a barnburner.
Curry missed a field goal with about 4 minutes left in the first quarter.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Hajnos with a wide-open TD catch for Cortland, Red Dragons lead 14-0. Hajnos somehow got wide open in the red zone against the Curry secondary.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Cortland scored again on a pass play to Eric Hajnos.
Rossi and Ren report that Cortland’s first score was aided by a big punt return, and that Curry has moved the ball well between the 20s, but missed a field goal attempt.
“14-0 10:18 1st half”
November 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
D3 Keith,
That sounds exactly like the MUC-Hobart game…
November 29th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Hobart D forces another punt, after a big sack. Statesmen holding their own
November 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Wheaton’s Gingg 7 yd TD run, PAT is good. Wheaton 21-7. 10:44 2Q
November 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Wheaton scores 21-7
Cortland 78 yards to Zac Guragno 21-0
November 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Hobart gets first down, loses fumble….MUC looks to sore again. Hobart just can’t commit turnovers
November 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Midway through the second, Nate Kmic already over 100 yds with 115, including a 41-yd TD run. MUC threatening again.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
2 15 yard personal fouls against MUC already. Hobart may have a chance if MUC keeps up w/cheap shots
November 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
UW-Whitewater fans enter the coffee shop here in Salem, Ore. Family of linebacker Tim DePies.
At least I assume so, because one of them is wearing a 60 jersey with DEPIES on the back.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Matt Hudson 4-for-12 passing for 53 yards for Wabash this afternoon.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Hobart stops MU on a 4th and 3 w/a sack. (I hear the Rocky music)
November 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Hobart is on the verge of finishing off a scoreless quarter at Mount Union, which is significant.
Unless Wabash makes a push soon, the Mount Union game will be the closest of the three going on.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Nate Kmic needs 15 yards for the all-time Division III rushing record.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Wheaton’s Norris 14yd pass to Pokorny. TD PAT is good. Wheaton 28-7, 5:30 left 2Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Kmic could break the D3 record soon … 124 yards and needs 139?
Now if he plays 3 more exceptional games, a big if, he could catch Woodhead.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
jackson fumbles first play umhb ball wesley 30
November 29th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Scots for Wartburg fumble. 0-0 early 1st.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Wheaton just capped a 9 play, 76-yard drive with a Norris-to-Pokorny 14-yard scoring strike.
Wheaton at one point led 14-7 and had 63 yards of TO to Wabash’s 50.
That count is now 196-51.
As I wrote that, Wabash gained 45 yards on four plays …
November 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
28-7 Wheaton BTW
November 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
UMHB on the board
November 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
w&j drives to the 1 yr line of Milsaps but fails to score on 4th and 1
November 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
umhb td 7-0
November 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Scots strike first. Tanney to Matzen on a 7 yard pass. About 10 min left 1st.
7-0 Monmouth
November 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
So is Monmouth.
Wabash down to the Wheaton 4.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Wabash’s Hudson 4 yd pass to LeMond PAT good; 0:46 left, 2Q. Wheaton 28-14.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Wow.
UMHB’s TD was a 14-yard Saenz to Ervin Johnson pass.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
UMHB recovers a Wesley fumble on the UMHB 30 and drives for a TD UMHB 7-0.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Majors drive to presidents 45 and punt.. 1st and 10 W&J at the 20 1st quarter
November 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
North Central up 7-3 … the only game besides Wabash/Wheaton where both teams have scored.
All three noon EST games are at the half. None closer than 14 points.
This is the “separate the men from the boys” round, traditionally.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
presidents finding running room with kurt jones
November 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Wartburg misses 41-yard FG.
7-0 Monmouth.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Wabash makes a bit more interesting with a score late in the 1st half. If they want a chance today, they are going to have to stop the Wheaton attack namely on 3rd & long.
28-14 Wheaton at the half
November 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I thought it was Curt Jones….at least it seemed that way when he was running all over the Captains.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
NC makes it 14-3.
Fanthorpe is 5 for 5 for 77 yards and 2 TD passes to Hlavac.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
it is.. my fault.. Majors driving into W&J territory
November 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Wesley can’t slow down UMHB.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
44 yard TD pass break down in the W&J secondary, guy was wide open in the middle of the field…7-0 Majors 5.16 to go in the 1st
November 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
first down at the one
November 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Wartburg forces punt…starts at their own 15.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Error on the fumble recovery. UMHB only drove for 30 yds.
UMHB is driving again. UMHB has 1st and Goal on the 1. Wesley holds and forces a 21 yd Munoz FG. UMHB 10-0. 5:33 1Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Wesley D steps up and force FG. Wesley actually causes loss on two of three plays 10-0 UMHB
November 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
W&J answers right back on a long pass of there own..swallow to besong on a long bomb to the 1 and jones runs it in from there..
November 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Millsaps scores, W&J comes right back … tied at 7 at 3:16 1st.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Yordi picked off at the Wartburg 35. Scots in business leading 7-0.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Wesleys feed is behind the stats so Ralph is getting it quicker
November 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Kmic breaks the tackle… MUC 14-0 looks like they will go up 21-0 soon…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
First and goal Monmouth at the 5.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Breaks the Record as well, sorry guys haha
November 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
14-0 Monmouth. Tanney 5 yard TD pass.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
21-0 MUC, Hobart just cant score on MUC… Their defense has made this game managable- they just cant convert on offense at all…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
mcsweeney fumbles 78 yrd return 17-0
November 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I hope you fans of teams playing today realize how lucky you are. It really sucks watching scores of games and not have your team a part of it. Good thing UVA/VT game is on TV.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
wesley had moved the ball right down the field to the 15yrd line
November 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
UMHB’s Eric Henri 82-yd fumble run for a TD UMHB 17-0. 2:27 left. 1Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
MUC is turning the heat on Hobart… This could get very ugly, very quickly…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
14-0 Monmouth end 1st. Wartburg in Monmouth territory to start 2nd.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Instead of 3 and out. Hobart fake punt….First down
November 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Wesley has outgained UMHB but fumbles kill
November 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Millsaps has 3 and goal at the 1. Early second quarter. TD Majors. Bowser 1 yd run. PAT is good. Millsaps lead 14-7. 13:25 left.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
W&J’s Curt Jones 60 yards in the 1st quarter.
Completion to Savage gets Millsaps inside the 4, Joseph keeps it down to the 1, 2nd and goal. W&J holds on a rush on 2nd. Bowser scores on a toss sweep.
14-7 Saps.
Somebody tell the Millsaps broadcasters we can hear all their outtakes.
21-0 at MUC. Kmic 22-150-3 TD
November 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Touchdown Hobart
November 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hobart Scores… 21-6 Pending PAT…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Hobart scores!
November 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
21-7 MUC, if only Hobart could have converted earlier…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
At North Central, it’s 14-10 … Franklin is going to hang tough and have a chance to win here. No one’s going to run away from that offense … but NC is darn good.
Fanthorpe 9 of 10 for 111 yards and 2 scores passing.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Hobart even w/MUC on first downs. Offense proved it can move the ball against mighty MUC. ( Now, can the D stop Kmic)
November 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Just like that MUC answers… These guys are pretty good huh, haha… 28-7 MUC
November 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Buckeye’s JV team now leads Hobart 28-7
November 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Finally got to get a look at this Monmouth-Wartburg game. I didn’t know what to make of that, pick-wise, knowing the Scots have a sharp offense and Wartburg has a sharp defense. Went with past results of IIAC vs. MWC … but every game is a chance to prove something.
Wartburg had scored, and Monmouth got into a situation where they needed a conversion and got it on a Tanney pass.
Monmouth looks like a cool place to see a game.
Great will be the weekend when all 8 Round of 16 games are on live video.
Tanney with a big completion to Blodgett to get down to the 11 yard line.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
UMHB’s Munoz kicks a 45 yd FG. 5:24 left in the2Q . UMHB 20-0.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Monmouth down to the 1, gets a 1st down and an illegal substitution on Wartburg puts them on 1-inch line … Scots TD.
20-7 pending PAT
November 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
45 fg hits cross bar and falls through 20-0
November 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
dc, the “tom foolery” is working, and the offense is moving the ball, but we just can’t stop their offense
November 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Love broadcasters using the D3 scoreboard, trying to do my best to keep it updated.
We gotta teach people how to say “Willamette” though
November 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
78,
They’re most def making us all proud today- The D is doing their job but is getting pretty worn out… Wish we would have converted the two other times we had it in their red zone…
November 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Millsaps 14, W&J 14 2:16 left 2Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Wartburg answers Monmouth 21-14 Scots late 2nd.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Wartburg big completion over the middle from Yordi … two plays later a big run gets them a 1st-and-goal at the 1 … two plays later Yordi sneak.
20-14 3:26 … Monmouth missed the PAT last time.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Dang MUC scores on a 96 Yard drive on 4th Down… Mount up 35-7
November 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Oh well
November 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
MTU 35 – Hobart 7
TD pass to Shorts.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Maybe LL gets a little bit more respect for us being in the game for so long?
November 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Millsaps gets a 67 yd KOR. W&J personal foul after the play makes it 1 & goal on the W&J 9.
W&J has held on the first two plays; 3 & goal on the 5; Joseph runs to the 1. Millsaps goes for the FG. Timeout Majors with 0:15 left in the half. 19-yd FG good.
0:10 left. Millsaps leads 17-14.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
First and goal Monmouth. Tanney looks really good.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Tanney to Zidow…26-14 Pat pending.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
28-14 Scots after 2-point conversion. Wartburg can’t stop Monmouth’s offense.
28 seconds before half.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
UMHB 27-0; 10 play 72 yd drive; 0:44 left in the half.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I hope so, I mean we’ve played them as well as anyone has so far? A match up with MUC-Wesley/Mary Hardin Baylor or UWW Will be interesting if one of them happens…
November 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Not today!!! UMHB is getting 4 and 5 yrds at a clip. Just knocking Wesley off the ball
November 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Hlavac fumble, two quick strikes, and Franklin goes up 17-14 a minute before the half.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
MTU 42 – Hobart 7
November 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I don’t think the LL was really under-respected before, do you?
November 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Wheaton 52-14 at the start of the 4th Q!
November 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Wow. Franklin’s kickoff goes out of bounds, North Central gets a 27-yard pass and an 18-yard run from Sulo to score with 21 seconds left in the half.
Franklin’s lead was short lived. It’ll be 21-17 at the half, i guess.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Is it time to re-assess the Wabash season? They went 7-0 vs NCAC, and 3-0 versus the UAA, but are in the process of going 0-2 versus the rest of the world?
November 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Maybe not in your neck of the woods Keith. E-8 generally given more R around Upstate NY
November 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
We’ve got four blowouts on the board, and two one-score games from the 1 p.m. EST starts … Monmouth-Wartburg could go either way (28-14)
November 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Game, set, match MUC 42 Hobart 7..
November 29th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Yeah got ugly after 5 minutes in the first 3rd quarter… MUC proved why they are the best of the best, good luck to them… They just wear you down and wear you down… Great team…
November 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Cortland is blowing Curry out, so they get MUC next.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Millsaps has taken the opening kickoff and is driving on W&J. W&J holds after a bad snap in the shotgun causes a loss.
Millsaps get a FG about 26 yd 12:30 left. Millsaps 20-14.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
W&J Jones 1 yd TD run; PAT good W&J 21-20; 8:31 3Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Nice drive by W&J. The Majors are having problems with Swallow’s fake handoffs and that’s keeping the pressure off the Presidents’ QB.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
has cortland now proven that they can take on MUC after this blowout of curry?
November 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Final Wheaton 59-28 over Wabash.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
When W&J *does* hand off, Jones is running hard and ripping off decent gains. He’s over 100 yards now. W&J driving, inside the Millsaps 30.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Wartburg comes out firing and is in Monmouth’s territory down 28-21.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Scots force another TO. Take over inside their own 10.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
UMHB rushes to the Wesley 10 but fumbles. Wesley ball at their own 6. 5:24 left 3Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
CState,
I don’t know, you guys are pretty much on the same level as Hobart… If you can sustain long drives and actually score- which Hobart didn’t do- they drove the ball and couldnt convert in the end you might make it a game… You guys gotta try to give MUC as much 3 and outs as possible, if you keep giving them chances they will wear you out and capitilize without a second thought… Kmic didn’t lose a single yard rushing on like 37 Carries, he’s a beast… You might not be able to stop him, but try to contain him… Put pressure on Micheli but make sure your ends cage him in, what he can do with his legs is incredible… We now wish the Red Dragons the best of luck, hopefully you can do better than Hobart!
November 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
The Majors defense gets a big stop in the red zone, holding W&J one yard short on a 4th and seven. Still 21-20 W&J in Jackson.
November 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Millsaps finally stops a W&J drive that bgan on the W&J 10. Presidents seem to be taking the momentum. W&J leads 21-20. End of 3rd Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
UMHB Brett Parker intercepts McSweeney and returns it to the Wesley 21.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Scots turn the ball over in Wartburg territory for the second time in the 3Q.
Monmouth 28
Wartburg 21
November 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
UMHB Saenz 19-yd TD pass to ?Garcia? PAT blocked 33-7 2:39 left. 3Q
November 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Millsaps ball own 34 yd line with 10+ left in the game. 1st and 10.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Scots lose their third fumble of the 2nd half. Wartburg in business. Gotta hold on to the ball boys.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
wartburg gets 3. 28-24 scots early 4th.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
W&J holds just outside the red zone.
Millsaps to try a FG 38 yd attempt with 7:00 minutes left. Wide left. W&J 21-20 6:57 left.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
UMHB Munoz’s 49 yd FG to go to 36-7; 12:29; 4Q.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Whitewater leads Willamette 14-0.
2 Anderson TD runs early in 1st quarter.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Vetter just dropped a potential 91 yard TD. Scots 28-24, Wartburg at their own 10.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Swallow has done a great job of running the clock on the current drive. W&J moving under 3 minute left. W&J ball on the Major 13. 2:25 left. Jones has run to the Millsaps 7. First down. Jones 7 yd TD 1:36 left. PAT is good. W&J 28-20.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
how about W&J…..win or lose they have played a great game especially on the defensive side………
November 29th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
i have followed this team all year and this is by far their best defensive effort (W&J)
November 29th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
4th and 11 for Wartburg in Scots territory.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Goranson sacks Yordi for a big loss, Scots takeover at their own 40 leading 28-24 with 7 minutes left.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Millsaps starts on their own 44 after a squib kick. 1:32 left.
1 — long incompletion (mis-communication).
2 — Savage catches for 5. first timeout. at their own 49 1:16 left.
3 — Long incompletion.
4 — Joseph is held short of the first down.
1:01 left with two Millsaps time outs left.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
W&J Jones a 52 yd TD W&J 34-20. PAT good. Excessive celebration penalty. W&J 35-20.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Franklin scores (Rupp to Deffner) to lead 38-21 with 7:00 remaining in the game.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Whitewater now leads Willamette 21-0 early in 2nd quarter.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Whitewater’s already starting to turn it on in Salem. 21-0 early 2nd Quarter
November 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Final W&J 35-20.
Looks like the Presidents come to Texas next week.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Wartburg takes over at their own 21 with no timeouts down 28-24 with 1:30 left.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
congratulations w&j…i cant believe that i doubted that they could get it done…..hard to believe that the defense held joseph and company to 20 points and only 3 points in the second half…I will never doubt them again….good luck against UMHB…they will again need to play flawless football….they have many ghosts on that field….
November 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
North Central makes it 38-28 with 5:20 remaining…onside kick not successful.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Cortland: Hobart kept it close, (rather reasonable) for almost 3 quarters. Go in there with an attitude, as MUC will take no pity on any opponent. ie. They will keep scoring TDs until the final gun any way they can, passing if need be no matter what the score is. Yes, they will run it up. Try to keep their O off the field and as dc said, contain Kmic, as you can’t stop him. Go Red Dragons!
November 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
UMHB is up 46 – 14 on Wesley…should be an intersting match-up next week against W & J…familiar foes
November 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Wartburg scores on a 22 yard pass with less than 10 seconds left….Heartbreaking loss 30-28 Wartburg. Monmouth passed on a 38 yard field goal to go on 4th down.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
The Monmouth broadcasters are lamenting a decision not to kick a field goal at some point earlier … the 30-28 lead if it holds up over the last 7 seconds it denies the MWC a big opporuntity to be in the round of 8.
Sounds like a good finish. I had to step away for a bit.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
46 – 14 UMHB win!!! GO CRU!
November 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Whitewater misses FG with 7 secs before half, but still lead 21-0 over Willamette.
November 29th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Monmouth really gave one away today…The offense looked unstoppable when they held onto the ball. 3 second half fumbles in Wartburg territory. Scots had 3rd and 1 at the Wartburg 11 with 1:40 to go. After a false start and a delay of game, they opted to go for it on 4th and 11 instead of kick the 38 yard field goal. Tanney’s pass zipped through the hands of Monmouth’s receiver.
Wartburg drove 79 yards in 1:30 capped by a Vetter’s TD catch with 3 Scots draped all over him.
Monmouth also had 3 face mask penalties in the second half that helped keep Wartburg drives alive…I’m going to go throw-up now…
November 29th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
82 yard pass for WU.
Whitewater 21-7 early 3rd quarter.
November 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I suppose it’s not all bad…we get all of our starters back on offense next year. I think the Scots really put the MWC on the competitive map. Especially after the resounding thud they came in with in 2005.
Coach Bell has been recruiting a different breed of athlete since that 05 debacle. The Scots will be back. Good luck Wartburg.
November 29th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Another game in the East Region and yet another big victory from MUC.
Next up Cortland.
How many teams left – 8 right? – at this point we the stage appears to be increasingly set for yet a 4th straight match up between MUC and UWW.
November 29th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I loved the effort of Hobart today. Their defense gave their team a shot to win in the first half. That window the defense afforded them closed quickly after half time. This was a good effort by a good team, and Mount Union needed to have a game like this, where they are forced to stretch themselves, look a good team in the eye, and then make adjustments and beat them. I felt the missed FG in the first half took some confidence away from the Hobart O. MUC did bend of defense but never really broke, minus the score in the second half. Hobart’s D did show what you can do if you can keep Cecil Shorts under wraps, like they did in the first half. MUC O was not nearly as effective imho during that stretch of time. It feels like to me, a fan, that MUC needs to try to spread the ball around a little more when they attack through the air – get some of those role players a little more involved – keep the opposing D honest. To me, the best MUC offense’s over the years have always had multiple scoring threats thru the air.
BIG congrats to Nate Kmic….he is the heart and soul of this team, and deserves to enjoy this milestone. Very happy for him today….
Statesman78,
And the bulk of the MUC roster are guys who are at home at DIII, and work their tails off at being better than any other team in the nation…Although it does say something for a program, Coach Kehres, and the tradition that MUC has established when guys who could have tried their hand at DII or maybe DI come and play for him instead – not too many other DIII schools have that kind of track record where players on that level would consider making that choice. I wish when your team got beat, fans like you could leave the excuses out of it….
I don’t know about Buckeye JV comment…according to most of the country, the Buckeyes aren’t that good, so their JV team couldn’t be all that good either…
And lastly, you better believe MUC is going to score when they can, and if you call that running it up, or not having any pity, so be it…This is the playoffs, not a preseason scrimmage…if you don’t like to see MUC in the end zone, your team needed to stop letting them get there.
Looking forward to the regional final games…pretty interesting cast of characters once again this year.
November 29th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
WW survives and advances, beating Willamette 30-27…Warhawks end the game taking knww at the WU 1 yard line…
…back to the Perk for Wartburg!!
November 29th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
So, is there anything else UMHB must do now to get “just a little bit” of love down here in Texas??
November 29th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I’m so very, very happy that I was wrong about the UWW-Willamette game. I didn’t think that the Warhawks had what it takes to beat the No. 1 seed in their home. Now, unlikely of all unlikelys, we get to host another playoff game!
See you next weekend in Whitewater! Go ‘Hawks!
November 29th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
If Mount Union wanted to run it up, they would have punched it in at the end instead of taking a knee on the Hobart 1 yard line.
November 29th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I’ll be interested to see the outcome of the Wartburg-WW game. Wartburg has escaped by the skin of their teeth on a consistent basis, and I get the feeling that Whitewater is more vulnerable than in previous years. I would expect WW to win after seeing Wartburg in Monmouth today. I thought the Scots were the better team.
November 29th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
THANK YOU RED DRAGONS YOU HAVE PROVEN MY POINT.go gettem this bombers fan wishes you well…you can do it…stickem
November 29th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
People have been saying the defending champs are vulnerable since the loss to UW-Stevens Point, but yet all they do is win…I’m interested to hear what he thinks after seeing them today.
November 29th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Would be nice to read about the Franklin win over North Central, but the link on the home page takes everyone to the write-up about Wheaton-Wabash game. Can someone fix this?
November 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Grzimom, thanks for the heads-up.
Oldsarge — I don’t get the constant perception that UMHB gets no love around here. Why are we bothering to rank them so highly, then?
November 29th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Congrats CRU; you played the best game of the year today. However, you better BRING it next week, W&J is tough.
Thanks for proving coach Drass wrong especially after the horrible things he said about UMHB and Texas in the locker room at Wesley a couple of years ago. The local paper ran a article today about Drass and those comments; he failed to return calls to the sports writer. However, I commend Drass today for taking one of his starters out for trying to kick a UMHB player. The officials missed the kick, but Drass seen it and sent the player to the locker room; that’s a coach who is in charge of his team. Good luck next year Wesley you have a good team.
Go CRU beat W&J
November 29th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
If UWW and UMHB wins next week, then UWW comes to TX, right?? WOW that will be a hell of a game. Let’s just hope they can get by this week, it will be tough.
November 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
“We’ve got three more games”…a direct quote from Nate Kmic…just a little motivation for C-State…go get’em boys
November 30th, 2008 at 12:43 am
WOW!!!!! Thats the best way to describe the Franklin v. North central game today. Its hard not to just become mezmorized watching Chad Rupp rip defenses apart with not only his arm but his legs as well. He absolutely is as calm a player as I have ever seen….he’s calm in the game, calm on the bench while the coaches talk to him and his offense. Today he had a ton of time to pick out what he wanted to do and deliver strikes to several different receivers…the O line was very impressive. After the first two NC scores, the Grizzly D really stepped up!!! A total of 7 sacks against the No. 2 team in the country….they harassed Fanthorpe and his sub all day long. Grizzly fans were incredibly loud from early morning at the # 1 tailgate in D III and throughout the game. Their #s were at least equal to NC’s crowd. Looking forward to week # 3 from Faught Stadium as the beat goes on!!!!!!
GO GRIZ!!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Cru crushed —
Congrats to your team for a great victory. I am glad that you saw the Coach Drass that I have know for 25 years.
I thought Eric Drennan’s lead in his article in the Temple Daily Telegraph was a cheap shot. If he was going to put something out there like that, he should at least have the guts to give it a source instead of saying “Reportedly” on something that happen two years ago in a pregame locker room speech. The man couldn’t even look him in the eye at the post game press conference.
It was very hard not to be impressed by UMHB today. They are peaking at the right time. They took it to a talented Wesley team in all three phases of the game. They are going to be a very tough out, especially since they maybe home the next two weeks.
Thanks to Coach Fredenberg, SID Jon Wallin and they rest of the “Cru” for their help and generous hospitality. Good Luck.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:02 am
congrats to the final 8 teams but for W&J that was a great win, best of luck in texas fellas…
November 30th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Mt. Union’s dynasty might be in it’s last days. Whitewater can use their proximity to Chicago and Milwaukee and their lax admission standards to recruit all the talent they’ll ever need, and they get almost unlimited taxpayer funding to keep tuition down and finance their facilities. Even in this rebuilding year they could win it all again.
November 30th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Just because teams are undefeated doesn’t mean they should be ranked high or get #1 seeds. This is proven out again this year. The Division III rankers just don’t have a clue many times. The automatic qualifiers (conference winners) has to be looked at again. We are not getting the top 32 teams in the playoffs, maybe 20.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
UMHB vs W&J
Very good matchup. UMHB has had our number and has had very good teams. I feel that this may be the best W&J squad that UMHB will face. Should be a good one. If W&J executes in the same manner that they did against Millsaps this one will be decided by 3 or less.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Pat Coleman: “Oldsarge — I don’t get the constant perception that UMHB gets no love around here. Why are we bothering to rank them so highly, then?”
Pat, didn’t mean anything personal…my comment was mostly meant to be “in jest”…..but, in answer to your point…yes the CRU is normally ranked high in the polls…though I was surprised when they finished last year ranked 3d then was 4th behind Wesley on the pre-season for this year. Also, even though the CRU defeated Hardin Simmons in the regular season all three of you (Keith, Ryan and yourself) picked Hardin Simmons in the 1st round. Additionally, you were the only BELEIVER for the 2d round…..good for you!! Us UMHB supporters just want a “LITTLE bit” of love for our boys down here in Texas (smile). Now to be serious…..you guys are doing a great job and I know you don’t take your “job” lightly…..thank you, for what you do.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:57 am
pearlaker:
Saying that is like saying the same thing in college basketball not having the best 64…65 teams. You leave no room for the mid-majors which gives them nothing to play for. Our field isn’t as big, but you play your way in. Teams that get left out won’t likely win a championship anyway.
Do you think Franklin or Monmouth get in as at-larges in your system? Because Franklin is playing for a regional championship after beating an OAC and CCIW team and Monmouth had a golden opportunity to host the West Region final. These are teams from automatic qualifiers that you would ignore.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am
MUC01-You have a great, great team. Nobody doubts that. What I meant by running it up was 2 meaningless touchdowns in the final few minutes, especially by putting the ball in air. But, you’re probably still stinging after last year’s Stagg, so I guess you need to pound your collective chests. Again, your team is the pinnacle of D-III and I congratulate you. I will however, root for Cortland as with being the best, you have to understand we all want to beat the best. By the way, does Kmic have a little brother and can we persuade him to take a look at Hobart?
November 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
GoScotties: I’m not certain I understand your implication about Franklin perhaps not “getting in” as an at large team were it not for the fact that they won their conference, now two years in a row. It is true that they were left out as an at large two years ago when they had their first 9-1 team and even Pat Coleman last year on ESPN indicated he felt that was a mistake. What I think it says about the system is that first and foremost, win your conference, and second schedule tough non conference teams as much as you can. The opponents strength of schedule and their opponents strength of schedule is what appeals to the selection committee. Finally, you have to build a reputation before you can count on it to help you and over the past several years Franklin has worked very hard to do that, on and off the field. It takes some innovation on the part of your institution, an agressive SID to help build and keep your “cred” and most important a school and a coaching staff with the kinds of values that appeal to young athlets wanting a great experience and a great education. In Franklin’s case, all of these things combine for a very compelling story!!
November 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Statesman78: I hardly call a 13 play drive that started on the MUC 4 yard line with the score 28-7 and culminates with a 8 yd pass on 4th down running up the score in the “final few minutes”.
If Mount wanted to run it up, they wouldn’t have pulled the starters with 6 minutes to go and wouldn’t have taken a knee at the Hobart 1 yard line to kill the last minute and a half.
Your team played hard and made Mount work for their 500+ yards. Don’t ruin a great effort by your boys by displaying your sore grapes.
November 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Oops. I fat fingers are faster than my brain.
Let’s make that SOUR grapes………………
November 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
It’s been a year since I posted … but I’ve followed closely all year. The GRIZ being in the Elite Eight is enough to bring me out of typing hibernation !! GrizFanBill covers the Franklin being left out as an at large team .. so let me just leave it at — Everyone can continue to discount the Grizzlies, and please, please go ahead and pick Wheaton in the Regional final !! The one element I’ve seen with Franklin is the HEART of the team … Rupp is extremely talented and the rest of the team does their jobs at every position. But no one, especially the people with the podium in this forum and others, bothered to measure the HEART this team brings to the field week in and week out !! GO GRIZ !! Home of the best tailgate in D3 !!
November 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
My point about Franklin was exactly that, 2 years ago they were left out, and it was a mistake. And if there weren’t any automatic qualifiers, they may have had a tough time getting in this year at 9-1 due to their first round loss last season.
I was really just trying to defend the automatic qualifiers, not downplay the success or ability of a nice team like Franklin. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see them in the “final 4″. I was responding to a comment about “taking another look at the AQ system because we’re not getting the best teams in”
The only two teams that really didn’t have a place in the tournament were Randolph Macon and Aurora and that was proven by the result of their first round games.
I agree wholeheartedly, win your conference and you deserve a shot at continuing your season. I understand that some teams have a more difficult road to get that done, but we can’t let everyone into the playoffs. For years, the HCAC and the MWC have been losing in the first round. This year, Monmouth and Franklin have represented their conferences well. Who’s to say that Aurora won’t eventually be that team that breaks the cycle for their conference? Conference champs deserve to be here…that was my point.
November 30th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
statesman78,
Hobart players played a great inspirational game. They got beat by 35. If the game would have ended 14-0 does it make a differance? Your team would still be home next week. Why is Mount the best? They play 60 minutes. Not 30. You root for Cortland all you want, bottom line will be the same. The teams from the east and south are not yet at Mounts level. Not a knock, reality. Hobart found out that when you play the best you better be in it for 60. By the way, be mad at your coach, end of the half Hobart d makes a great stand, gets a fumble with 1:23 or so and he basically kneels on the ball. Nice message to send your kids who were sky high at the time. He was just happy to be in the game.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
pearlaker
“The Division III rankers just don’t have a clue many times. The automatic qualifiers (conference winners) has to be looked at again. We are not getting the top 32 teams in the playoffs, maybe 20.”
So — how do YOU propose picking the “BEST” 32 teams ?? Do you want to have the choices made by a committee ?? Then we end up with the bias of the members — and I think we have all just about had enough of the biases that constantly tell us “…the OAC is the best conference” or “… the CCIW is so tough”. Good teams win conference titles. Everyone doesn’t get to play in the Mount Union Conference, where 1 team wins them all, and almost all of the rest of the league is 5-5 or worse. Mount is a great team, but just playing in a conference with them doesn’t make all the rest of the teams great too !! I’d also like to know who YOU think was slighted this year ?? Other than maybe Depauw, I’m not sure the committee didn’t do a tremendous job of getting deserving teams into the mix. Don’t like their brackets and seedings in some cases, but that’s part of it too.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
“neutralobserver Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Mt. Union’s dynasty might be in it’s last days. Whitewater can use their proximity to Chicago and Milwaukee and their lax admission standards to recruit all the talent they’ll ever need, and they get almost unlimited taxpayer funding to keep tuition down and finance their facilities. Even in this rebuilding year they could win it all again.”
As a UWW student, I’d like to think you’re right, but I don’t think its quite that simple. They’re still competing with the other WIAC schools (similar tuition, facilities, etc.., and one of the strongest top-to-bottom conferences in the country). In addition, there are at least 5 other private DIII schools in this part of WI alone. However, UWW has the tuition advantage over them (IL students pay out-of-state tuition here BTW), and a proximity advantage over the other WIAC schools, so I can at least agree in part with you on that. Will it be enough to build a lasting dynasty? History says no, but you gotta start somewhere right?
All that being said, I don’t think MUC is going away anytime soon. Let’s see them lose a game or two some year, and then we’ll talk.
Already looking forward to the UWW-Wartburg matchup on Saturday. Always fun to meet up with different teams in the playoffs, and Wartburg is coming to The Perk with a ton of momentum. Should be a good one, especially if its snowing like it is now (remember UWW-Wabash last year?).
Either way, the semifinals in that half of the bracket should be great. UWW-UMHB, round 4? Wartburg with a shot at the Stagg Bowl? I think this has already been asked, but does anyone know where the potential UWW-Wash&Jeff semifinal would be played?
November 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I believe earlier Pat said that the South Bracket was higher seeded than the West so either way if the Warhawks win they will be back on the road.
November 30th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
If UWW beats Wartburg, they will travel to the winner of the UMHB-W&J game. UMHB would gain home field based on being seeded higher than UWW. W&J would gain the homefield advantage because the South Region is ranked #2 this year and the West Region is ranked #3. Both UWW and W&J are 5th seeds, so the criteria calls for a deferral to the regional ranking.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Thanks for the response bleedpurple. I knew that region rank was the next criteria, but couldn’t find anything that said which region was ranked higher.
November 30th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
bleedpurple,
UWW will come to Belton TX to play UMHB.
UWW 34 Wartburg 21
UMHB 41 W&J 28
That’s my prediction anyway. I have been wrong ONCE before.
November 30th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
If you come to TX you got to try Shiner Bock beer.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:50 am
I’ll second the endorsement of Shiner Bock. One of my favorites. I’ve been able to find it in the D.C. area and in Minneapolis, so it does have some distribution outside of its home area.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:56 am
I would love to try Shiner Bock. I hope you hit your predictions right on the money! Now is no time to be wrong a second time. It’s way too early for the football season to end! Just wouldn’t seem right….
December 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I have been reading this website and never posted, but the attitude of the MUC fans (at the game and on this site) has prompted me to post. Re: running the score up: saying that their last second kneel down was proof of their class is like saying that since a murderer didn’t stab his victim the 15th time means he is a good guy. Get real. MUC was 3 TD’s ahead with less than 3 minutes left and were passing the ball. Re: the fans: About 8 times a MUC fan came up to me and asked where Hobart was. It was quite insulting. Here’s a tip…Google it. I also had MUC fans come up to me astounded that Hobart was only down by 14 at halftime. There ARE other programs out there besides yours. RE: the “program”: Hobart was in this game into the 3rd quarter. Keep in mind that Hobart lost their 2 most potent offensive threats (Duliba, Hobaica) and had a QB with a separated shoulder and a much hobbled O-Line. MUC is just not as good as you believe. Also, in regards to the “program”, MUC has a 94 man freshman roster and an 86 man regular roster. This many kids on a team means that many, many, kids graduate without ever stepping foot on a varsity field. This is not called a class program in my book, it is called a meat grinder. Is it a winning formula? obviously, but don’t kid yourselves into thinking it is a successful program. Re: LL respect. the last thing that D3Kieth has said about Hobart was “So yeah…enjoy that homegame”. This is far from respectful. Re: the MUC players: I have never seen a team complain to the refs so much. Also, they had 2 nasty personal fouls. One last thing for all you fathers wanting their son to play college football. If you want them to win a national title, send them to MUC, if you want them to get a top notch education, send them to Hobart.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am
Maybe we can all meet and have a Shiner Bock before the UMHB-UWW game. Both teams have to win first but I would be surprised if one lost. I think the UWW-Wartburg game will be close. If UMHB plays like they did last Saturday the President’s will lose by 14 or more. If UMHB plays UWW the following week, UMHB wins by 7 or less. UMHB will lose to MUC by 14 or more. MUC is that good gentlemen. However, I would not place a bet on any of these predictions. I can’t wait to see how this plays out, I don’t like eating crow but I have before and may again.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
bartman Says……… dont sit there and tear mount down, you have no idea. ask hobarts coach what he thinks of mount and kehres, i bet he respects him and the team, they did not do anything different than anyother teams does sportsmanship wise. its called competition. they didnt run the score up, they average 47 points a game and scored 42. hobart was a good team i dont understand the attack from you on mount. show some respect and class to one of the greatest dynasties of all time in div 3 football.“““your comment `This many kids on a team means that many, many, kids graduate without ever stepping foot on a varsity field. This is not called a class program in my book, it is called a meat grinder.““yea they graduate, thats the whole point, who cares if they play they were part of something special and are going to get a great education.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Bartman,
wow, that might be the most ignorant, clueless, inaccurate and self-involved posts I’ve seen on here….great job.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
It is interesting to me that once someone says something unflattering about MUC, they get attacked. “Ignorant, clueless, innacurate, self-involved”. Name calling is never very nice, my friend. All I have done is point out the obvious: that although MUC has a winning tradition, it comes at a cost. That cost is the hopes and dreams of young men. It seems that purplephyco has inadvertently agreed with me. The only problem with the purplephyco post, though, is that it is incorrect in saying MUC kids get a great education. Last I looked, MUC was not on ANY list of top liberal arts colleges. The end result then is a program that kicks kids to the curb, WITHOUT a great education. The Hobart coaches AND players are gentlemen, of course, they will have nothing but repect for a team that soundly beats them on the field of play. The real question is, why are all of you so blind to the truth. Many kids are paying the price for your fanatic loyalty. The good thing is that I now know why the d3football.com people fall all over themselves praising MUC, they are scared of you people.
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
In response to Bartman’s posts (and the responses):
Do some of the Mount fans that post on here come across as cocky, arrogant, and generally annoying? Yeah, and I have no problem voicing my opinion on that. But you have to admit, their team plays by the same rules as everyone else, and they do a darn good job of it. Look at their scores over the last 4 years. Only a handful of teams have given them a real fight in that time, and only two have managed to beat them.
Like it or not, you have to respect the level of excellence that Coach Kehres and his teams have displayed over the years. Since I came to UW-Whitewater in 2005, I’ve had the pleasure of watching the Warhawks win 53 games, but none was sweeter than their 2007 Stagg Bowl victory over Mount Union. I read these boards after that game. The MUC fans didn’t turn off their computers and go away, and they were understandably disappointed, but they were respectful.
Bottom line: Every other DIII team has the same opportunities as MUC. They have put in the effort to build and maintain an outstanding program, and continue to face every challenger. There is a system in place for teams to prove their abilities on the field, where respect and championships are earned (UT and Texas Tech fans need not comment).
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
When I say your clueless Bartman, that’s not calling you a name, that’s stating a fact. So my post now has officially at least one more fact in it than your last two posts combined. Moreover, my comments were made towards your post, not you as an individual. But don’t call me friend…that word doesn’t apply here. Do you even know how many of those players do or don’t graduate and then go onto great careers in their chosen field? If you do give me a percentage.
MUC is very challenging academically, across the board, and I know because I’m a fairly recent graduate,and know too many people to list who know it is as well. You say Mount Union hasn’t been on “ANY” top liberal arts list last time you looked – well, you must not have looked any time in the last 14 years. Look it up – Mount Union has been ranked a top liberal arts college in the Midwest for 14 consecutive years. Could Mount Union do better? Sure, any school could do better. And this isn’t a “my school is smarter than your school” or ” my school has been on such and such list” competition. I’m attacking your comments because you say that Mount Union kicks kids to the curb without a great education and I’m not going to allow slander like that to just go unchecked. You’re saying football wins out over education. No one at Mount Union is putting any young person’s education ahead of some damn championship trophy. NO ONE. Your comments – did you get that, not you your comments – lack integrity, as so much as you didn’t even bother to look anything up before spouting off the “ANY list” comment.
You don’t know Mount Union…I and others on here do. You can continue to have this argument with yourself from here on out….but I just wanted to be on record stating that your comments are amazingly off-base. I don’t know why I let posters like you get me all riled up…oh that’s right…yes I do. It’s because I can’t stand it when those who achieve a certain standard get slandered by posers like you. Okay, that one was aimed at you bartman.
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
And I’ll apologize if any of my comments on football come off cocky…
I’m just a fan who loves his alma mater for all that it is, including it’s football program….
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Bartman: “That cost is the hopes and dreams of young men.”
Every single one of those young men that sign up for the football program at MUC know exactly what they’re getting into, I’m sure. Those that “never see the varsity field” probably come in knowing that. They just want to be a part, however small, of something wonderful.
That’s all I’ll say for now, even though I disagree with much more about Barman’s post. I will leave saying that this conversation reminds me of this comic:
http://xkcd.com/386/
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Ha…guilty as charged WarhawkTrombone…guilty as charged. I’ll stick to football from now on….
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I am a UMHB fan and I can tell you since UMHB beat MUC in Alliance the program has got nothing but better. MUC is a dynasty but they work hard at what they do and that is why they win 14-15 games a year. I will admit I didn’t like one of the coaches who stormed the field during the Stagg Bowl last year. I think he embarrassed the program. However, I’m not a hater but a appreciater. MUC is great and always will be as long as the current coaching staff is around. I have predicted them to beat my CRU in the Stagg Bowl. I have to give credit where credit is due. I think people who slam MUC on this site have envy and are haters. Get over it haters!!!!
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Bartman should look for a website called D3MathTeam.com if he’s interested in talking academics. This is D3football.com and here we talk about football and how Hobart got smacked in the mouth like most other MUC opponents. As the commercial states “most of these athletes will be professionals in something other than sports”. That’s the montra of D3 and it applies to all of the liberal arts schools including Mount Union. None of these guys are on athletic scholarships and who knows why they chose to go to MU. Whether its the great academic standards, laxed academic standards, proximity to home, or a great place for lesser talented high school athletes to play football, they still kicked the crap out of Hobart, and I doubt any of them wishes they were “Statesmen”.
This happens every year when someone starts bragging about how their school is going to take down Mount Union, or anyone else for that matter, and when it doesn’t happen they throw charges at them about how they have horrible ethics or academic standards or some other non-football related garbage. All of these schools are good schools and probably have a long list of successful graduates if you cared to do some research.
Do you want to know why so many MUC fans had to ask where Hobart was…BECAUSE NONE OF THEM REALLY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT HOBART! They’ve probably never heard of the school, never considered going there, and didn’t feel like wasting their time looking up info on a football program that would leave town 3 hours after it got there with a 35 point whipping attached to their backsides. Don’t feel slighted becasue folks in Ohio don’t know anything, or don’t care to know anything, about Hobart. Reality check…the school is only important to you and the few others that have been there.
This reminds me of the chant “We don’t care, its okay, you’ll be working for us someday” (Knox college students to Monmouth students during the Scots 56-10 thumping of the Prairie Fire)…get real morons. Take your beatings with dignity and try not to embarass your entire institution in doing so.
December 3rd, 2008 at 7:40 am
amen/
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
WOW, there are alot of angry people out there. I’m left with the impression of a gorrilla pounding his chest when challenged. If you folks would bother to actually read the post and keep your petty emotions out of it (which a well educated person would do), you would see that nowhere did I say that MUC was NOT a dominant football program. In fact I believe that I said that Hobart was “soundly beat” on the field of play. Not only that, but I said that if fathers wanted their kids to win a National Championship, they should send their sons to MUC. Initially, my beef was with arrogant fans. This is certainly supported by your posts, much of which can be summed up in a few words: “We win, we’re great, shut up, Moron, go home, poser, we don’t give a crap about Hobart…etc, etc”. Most of this stuff actually supports my claim that MUC fanatics do their institution a disservice by being so arrogant and self-centered. MUC01nashdavis wants facts, heres one: MUC accepts almost 80% of their applicants. This is by no means selective. Got a heartbeat…come to MUC. There doesn’t seem to be alot of introspection going on with you folks, all you do is point to the scorebaord and say, “look, we’re great”. Well, like I said before, you may win games, but your not great. I never bragged that our team would “take down” MUC. In fact, I went into the game just hoping it would be close. It was for awhile but then MUC ran away with it. However, MUC was embarrrased by our punt team (2 fake punts and a fake, fake punt) and frankly, if they didn’t have that great running back (what’s his name?), would not be nearly as good as they are. You folks also have glossed over the fact that the Hobart team did not have their two most potent offensive stars and the O-Line was not healthy. Thes are not excuses, but facts. Bottom line, you beat a hobbled team. No matter, it is part of the game and that is how it goes. If you guys feel good pounding your collective chests, then have at it.
Your disregard for all those kids that come to MUC wrongly thinking they might play is truly astounding. All you folks have to say about that is, “so what, they are happy to be part of THE program” and “we play by the rules, we’re just great at it”. If you have no problem sacrificing these young men so you can have your “best program in the land”, then so be it. I feel sorry for the kids and your shallow thinking.
muc01nashvegas also said that MUC is on some minor regional lists as a TOP school. Sorry, I should have been more clear (you would think I was educated at MUC). MUC is not part of any NATIONAL list. I wrongly assumed, muc01nashvegas (my dear friend), that since you care so much about national rankings that you would also automatically compare the academics on a national level. Hey, how about that, you are fanatically proud of your nationally ranked football team, but when it comes to academics, you go straight to the regional rankings. Sort of proves my point that you are way more interested in the ‘football dynasty” than you are of the academic program. How shameful.
My final point in my initial post holds true, and it is to all the parents out there that want the best for their son, which is I think ALL parents. You can send your son to MUC and hope that he might play (the numbers say he won’t) on a great team and get an education that is poor by comparison to say…the WHOLE Liberty League. Or you can send your son to get a top notch education and watch him play on the varsity for a couple of years. My guess is that some of the people posting here would much rather have their son sitting a bench (or not even dressing) and getting an average education than what is really good for their son…a great education and varsity playing time.
To say that these kids would rather sit the bench and be part of something “wonderful” is truly self-serving and, frankly, ridiculous. You really shouldn’t speak for those downtrodden and dissapointed kids like that. Let them speak for themselves, unless of course you were one of them.
To say I “envy” the program is way off base. I feel sorry for the program and the school because it’s values (football program over kids and academics) are many times driven by fanatics such as those writing on this blog. Pride goeth before the fall.
You guys are all about predictions, heres one for you: 20 years from now there will be hundreds of fathers talking to their son about the “wonderful” program they were part of. The son will ask, “what position did you play, Dad?” and Dad will have to say…”Well, actually, I never played”. But my education got me my job at the Quickie-Mart.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:14 am
“Most of this stuff actually supports my claim that MUC fanatics do their institution a disservice by being so arrogant and self-centered.”
“But my education got me my job at the Quickie-Mart.”
Sounds like the old pot and kettle comparison. Who’s the arrogant one in this conversation?
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Alum,
I agree, the Quicki-Mart comment was a bit arrogant. I exagerated to make a point.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:32 am
I mean, I’m not even an alum of Mount Union, but I would sure say there’s only one person being arrogant in this conversation. And he’s not putting a very nice face on Hobart.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Well I’ve been sitting back and reading all these posts the past few days. Being a MUC fan I can honestly say to Bart I apologize for the arrogance and lack of respect that my fellow alums are showing here. MUC is a great football program, but realize this, by bringing in 94 freshmen we ARE giving false hope to many young men. I don’t know one athlete that is happy just being part of a program. Any athlete I know wants to play, not be a body for practice. Only one I know that was like that was RUDY.
So all you MUC alums out there. Let’s start showing a little more class, ok? But if your sitting here all day and putting this much energy into a blog, I guess you just wanna show Bart that maybe you didn’t get a good education at MUC. You’re obviously not at a high level job, because you’re here and not WORKING!!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:58 am
Alum,
All I’m asking is for people to be a bit more introspective, which these MUC folks seem unable to do. If you feel I’m the only one being arrogant, then you need a good dose of introspection yourself. If by “good face” you mean I don’t pander to shallow thinkers and football fanatics, then your right. Hobart does not really need my defense. The great tradition in academics AND football speak for themselves. If you would bother to read all of the posts all the way through, there are plenty of compliments on the football tradition of winning at MUC. My whole question was, and is: at what cost? If you think there is no cost, then your not thinking clearly.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:29 am
bartman,
Before you go ripping on MUC’s academic reputation any further, can you please just accept one quick elementary school grammar lesson? “Your” is possessive, as in “Your school is awesome”. “You’re” is a contraction, meaning “you are”.
I know that is not relevant to football, but it is just one of those things that annoys me. Anyway, back to the topic at hand…
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
wisportsfan,
“your” proving the point.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
wisportsfan,
Thanks for the correction, I had also noticed it but it was after I hit the submit button. This happens when I think faster than my fingers can fly.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Bartman,
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience last Saturday at the stadium. You should know that not ALL Mount Union fans are as arrogant as some of those you encountered. You can surely appreciate, I hope, that given the team’s success over the years we’ve attracted a lot of fans who aren’t graduates but have lived in town all of their lives. Naturally, they take a lot of pride in the team’s success and sometimes carry that enthusiasm a little far. Personally, I try to treat all our out of town friends with respect.
I suspect, however, you have an enormous chip on your shoulder. From what, I’m not sure. Your posts ARE filled with arrogance; you demand respect for your opinions yet demean the all-time leading rusher and scorer in Division III history (it’s Nate Kmic, by the way).
I attended Mount Union, many years ago, and am proud of my degree from there. Just as I am proud of what the football program has accomplished. At the end of the day, I’ve yet to be offered a job because of what the football team has done.
Hobart is a fine institution, as well, and I’m sure you are justly proud of your association with the school. I’d have more respect for your opinion, though, if you spent a little less time trying to boost the your position by demeaning every one else’s.
Mount Union’s quarterback, Greg Micheli (or what’s his name, if you prefer), is a finalist for the Draddy Award, which is a scholarship award presented to a college football player, regardless of division, and is based on performance, academics and community service. He’s a wonderful representative of the college, and I’d encourage you to engage him in a conversation some day. Maybe your opinion of our college would change.
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
raiders#1,
I accept your apology in regards to the MUC fans that were so arrogant and demeaning to the Hobart program. Thank you.
I certainly understand why you would be proud of the accomplishments of your football team. Your loyalty to your Alma Mater is honorable. You have been the first respondent that has gotten his point across (I’ll overlook the obvious attempts to insult) without resorting to name calling.
No chip, just truth, facts and strong opinion. The reason that I put (what’s his name) in the post is because I wanted to show the MUC people how it felt to have so many MUC fans come up to me and ask…”Where is Hobart from?” Since you took offense to it, I guess it worked. Maybe the MUC folks will be more sensitive next time.
I’m not trying to boost my opinion at all, just trying to inform and get the MUC people to realize that DIII football (and MUC’s prowess on the field) is small potato’s given the big picture. The big picture being education and the many athletes that go to MUC with the dream of playing and then getting squashed of thier dreams. I am also making an academic comparison between MUC and the Liberty League colleges and Universities.
My opinion of your college is not bad at all, just the fans and thier refusal to allow any dissenting views of their football program. When I see and read people pounding their chests about how great they are, I think a bit of dissent and analysis is healthy, don’t you? It seems odd to me that no-one really wants to have an actual discussion about the issues.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm
raiders#1 and Bartman,
Finally we get a reasonable and respectable exchange. Everyone take a look and LEARN!!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Wow, I logged off on Saturday after my team got beat and haven’t been back to the site since. While in my state of pouting about my team being out of it, all hell breaks loose!!! What’s going on here men? I did see where one of my comments was referred to as” sore grapes”. In the Finger Lakes wine country, (that’s where Hobart is) we call it sour grapes. Perhaps an “Ohioism” thus I dare not be critical as you guys appear to outnumber us East bloggers and I have to be honest, you frighten me a bit too. However, I won’t chastize your spelling as I’m probably putting something in the wong tense or mispelling something here myself, despite my Hobart education. It’s fun rooting for our respective teams and yes, we get emotional at times. I myself am guilty of assessing MU’s final TDs as “running it up” needlessly, and I must stand corrected when a blogger pointed out that they didn’t take a 3rd needless touchdown in the final minute so they could beat us by 42 instead of 35, but instead knealt down on the ball and ran the clock out. I suspect many of us played college football, hence our interest in this very special D-III website and our competetive spirits live on. But guys…D-III footbal is a game for young men who were young boys a few years ago. Chill out! I may add that when Hobart won something like 15 straight national D-II and D-III Lacrosse titles in the 80s & 90s, they packed up and went to D-I. Please MUC, before you do the same thing, give us a rematch!!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 3:50 am
Bartman,
You have a funny way of getting to your point. Instead of starting out having a “discussion about the issues” in the beginning, which is what normally goes on here and has been for years before you arrived, you come out guns blazing, attacking people, then you act all offended when someone hits back. You’re probably going to do it with this post too.
Give me a break. At least be a man and take responsibility for the attitude you’re bringing to the discussion. The victim complex, when you are just as much a party to the slandering and the arguing as the other side is, is lame.
You do have a chip on your shoulder, you’ve been repeating the same comment I made for three weeks now, as though that overshadows every other thing I’ve written about Hobart … in the same paragraph, same article, same season or on the same website for the past eight years.
You are still welcome to post here. You are welcome to dissent. You are welcome to make your arguments, well thought out or not. But before your last post, I was starting to believe you could not be reasoned with.
I realize that in helping run a website where Dads like yourself can interactively follow their sons careers free of charge, I don’t get to choose what the discussions here entail, and how much logic and reason they involve.
However, let me explain something to you one last time. I did not go to Mount Union; in fact, I went to a school who got the snot kicked out of them by MUC the week before. I learned to appreciate Mount Union by observing they way they do things, the same way I learned to appreciate St. John’s and Rowan and Mary Hardin-Baylor and UW-Whitewater, etc. When we shower people with praise around here it is earned … perhaps that’s why you crave it for Hobart so.
Guys like you come along every year running their mouths about Mount Union this, Mount Union that, ruining the perception of their schools fans in the process. It’s happened with St. John Fisher fans and Ithaca fans, etc., the past couple years, and they mostly only made themselves look bad.
Usually as their D3 horizons expand, they mellow out some.
It’s a shame your son was a senior this season, as I think you would have enjoyed getting to know some of the good apples from Mount Union, just as the Mount Union fans would enjoy getting to know some of the good Hobart guys.
From where I sit, I see arrogant fans arguing with each other, then slowly coming to realize that they’re not all that different. I don’t often get involved because I see it happen year after year on these boards. The end result is usually a good thing.
There are arrogant fans from your school, and there are arrogant fans from their school. Hobart runs a class program and deserves respect, just as Mount Union runs a class program — regardless of whether your brief experience there reflects that or not — and deserves respect.
The sooner you stop being one of the arrogant fans and start being one of the ones with an open mind, willing to consider what’s beyond Geneva, N.Y., the sooner you’ll find people on these boards already have intelligent discussions and they do have and show respect for each other. Not always, but it’s here.
The D3football.com community owes a great debt of gratitude to fans from Mount Union and Hobart, among other schools, for helping to foster this atmosphere and make Post Patterns and The Daily Dose comments what they are.
We’re never going to over-police the boards or censor speech in a major way, but Pat and I have no problem letting the bad apples know that while they are welcome here, their attitudes are not. We have done this from the very beginning, and while it will cost us a few patrons, in the long run it probably keeps a bunch here too. I can’t speak for Pat, but I do not regret this.
You might find this ironic, Bartman, but I can recall a Mount Union fan — I think his name was Doug — getting very upset over a column I wrote because it didn’t respect Mount Union enough. And here you are saying how D3football.com fans fawn over the Purple Raiders.
Kinda funny when I place myself in the middle of all that.
Stop being condescending, lose the victim complex and use your knowledge to contribute positively to the discussion you say you crave. I know you can do it!
December 4th, 2008 at 6:07 am
I raise my cup of coffee to you Keith well said…posting should be a fun thing….it always has been for me
December 4th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Ketih: As always, well said.
As a MUC guy, I’ve bitten my tongue over the last few days to avoid getting in a pissing match with someone that didn’t want to talk rationally. I’m all for discussing the differences between teams, schools and perceptions, but Bartman continually beating the same dead horse and not listening to any other points sounded like listening to my 9 year old argue with my wife……
Those that have been around this site a while realize people like Bartman are a yearly occurence come playoff time that quiets a week or two after they’re bounced out. My hope is that this holds true again with Bartman or he grows up.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:17 am
D3Keith,
Victim complex? Did you read all the posts or are you just shooting from the hip? If I have any “complex” at all it is a superiority complex. I truly feel sorry for the young men in that program (the majority that never play). Was my first post agressive…sure it was. This is because sometims it is good to slap people in the face first to wake them up from their hazy, lazy daze of MUC worship. But I never sunk to calling anybody names like “moron, poser, ignorant..etc” That came from all of your “good apples”. Check out R24Raiders 11/30 comment on Hobart. He actually said that Hobart played an “inspirational game”. If that is not condescending attitude I don’t know what is…we lost by 35. In my book this is not “inspirational”. Like I said before, Hobart was in it for awhile, then late in the 3rd lost control. There was no “inspiration” involved, just good football for awhile, and then not.
I have only referenced your comment on this site ONCE. I don’t know where you come off saying that I keep repeating it. If you are a journalist like you say, don’t exaggerate the point that you are trying to make. Actually, it was an out and out lie. Shame on you, Mr. Integrety.
I have laid out the facts for all to see re: MUC academic program and the way they run their football program. If you and others choose to look in the mirror and change your ways, that is great. If not, it is the kids that will be paying for it. Your choice.
Keith, you told me that this site was not meant to be a yearbook club. Now it seems that you and others want it to be exactly that. A site where we can all pat each other on the back and say “great job”, “inspirational job”, “WOW, MUC is unbelievable”. We should all just have happy feelings and be nice. If that is what you want then stop calling yourself a journalist and complementing yourself on the great job you are doing.
For me, you will all be happy to know that this is my last post. The horse is dead and I am done beating it. My second son is playing for Cornell, so I really have no use for all this ridiculous self congratulation.
Hey, you know what, thinking back, I should have dissuaded my son from going to an Ivy League school and sent him to a sub-par educational facility to win a national championship and be part of something “wonderful”. NOT!!!.
Later, folks, I’m on to DIAA ball.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Sorry folks, one last post.
HSCoach,
More name calling? You must be one of the “good apples”. Congrats. If you folks would like I could just keep posting and not be one of those that lose and get bounced out. I’m positive you wouldn’t want that.
On second thought, no, I’ve got bigger fish to fry at a superior educational institution. My guess is when I get on the Cornell blog, they will be more receptive to rational thought and analysis.
Good luck to MUC this year. From what I saw at the Hobart game, they will need it.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:27 am
bartman,
Were you that goofy Hobart guy that roamed the sidelines at the Hobart game wearing the red hat? Micheli first team academic All american. Kids know right up front that they probably won’t see the field until there Juniors. Yes, they come for the “ring” but their parents still foot the bill. I don’t think their parents are forking out that kind of cash just for football when their kids don’t even sniff the field for three years. I am so sick of hearing certain individuals talking about running up the score. Ok, if it makes you feel any better, we’ll only count the first half, Mount 14-Hobart 0. Great job! Only lost by 14 Hoo hoo! Tell all your friends Bartman! Nobody from Mount will be bitter. Now, in closing take your blogs and you bitterness and jealousy back to Geneva and ENJOY reading about the program that put DIII football in the national spotlight. I am done with you!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Bartman,
If you’re offended by someone saying that “Hobart’s play was inspirational”, then you’re beyond help and are just looking for a reason to be pissed.
That statement was a compliment and true. Hobart came to Mount, played hard, took chances to win (fake punts) and earned our respect as a quality opponent. Nothing more. They didn’t have near the talent to actually win the game, but their effort and approach was “inspirational” to those of us that have followed Mount for 15+ years.
I realize this was your first chance to see The Machine in person, but every year there is a playoff team or two that folds the tent as soon as Mount jumps on them. That’s how you get a 42-7 score at halftime like we had last season versus New Jersey. They gave up as soon as they realized Mount was better than them. And when we see a team like Ithaca last season or Hobart that played hard no matter the score, we find it refreshing and inspirational. If that offends you, stop following football.
I’m not even sure how to draw any logic from your statement about the MUC roster size being “unfair”. No one comes to Mount without KNOWING and SEEING first hand that the roster is deep and it will take a ton of work (and some luck) to see the field. How is that unfair? No kid is sold a bill of goods about starting as a freshman to trick them into coming. It doesn’t work that way with LK.
I know a former player personally that came to Mount to learn from Kehres because his career choice is teaching HS math and coaching football. Though he never saw the field, and knew he wouldn’t, he happily participated in 4 years of football as a back-up QB to learn from the best. Does he fit your description of a “kid being cheated”? He doesn’t in mine.
When Mr. What’s His Name came out of high school he wanted very badly to play for D1 Bowling Green, but they didn’t even have room for him as a walk-on. So he started checking out other schools and loved the Mount campus, staff and atmosphere. He new that coming to Mount meant he would have an uphill battle to see the field, but he loved the school and wanted the challenge. After working hard and slowing climbing the depth chart, he’s become D3’s most productive RB ever.
The more I read of your drivel, the more I wonder if you’re just really pissed off at life in general and D3football.com is just your outlet right now. Or do you just have your panties in a wad over the fact that Hobart football isn’t as good as you thought? I’m guessing the former.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
HScoach,
Saying Hobarts play was “inspirational” is the same as saying, “I can’t believe you guys are doing so well against us”. Maybe you could use a little sensitivity training or something.
How do you know no kids are being sold a bill of goods? Let me educate you…It goes like this. “Now listen son, I am not going to say you are a sure starter, but anything can happen if you work hard enough, it is up to you but we would like to have you in the program”. Since you are a HSCoach you probably say the same thing to kids. You probably even kid yourself into thinking this is telling the truth.
Let me educate you some more about all these kids that come to MUC to be part of something “wonderful”. For every one kid that has had a good experience such as the one you described there are many, many more that do not have a good experience. Here are the facts: MUC has a 94 man freshman roster but are graduating only 18 athletes. Where do you think these kids are going? This means that 75 kids who join the program end up leaving the program. I’m sure every one of those 75 kids had a great time while it lasted. Did you read this…75, 75, 75. Yeah, it’s a great program that is all aboout the kids. Give me a break. You people all remind me of the ostrich burying his head in the sand to get away from the truth.
BTW, last time I wore panties I was in college, and I thought that girl was going to be really turned on by it……she wasn’t.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I really wish you folks would stop blogging about me because I find it very hard to not respond to ignorance. Just take what I said, go home and think about it. Maybe you will even become one of those “good Apples” of which Keith likes to refer.
Maybe you will even come away with a better understanding of who you really are.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Your 13 seniors at Hobart used to be a class of 39, and that’s just the kids who made it to the week 2 roster, not how many came into camp. Trends suggest that would be more like 50.
Attrition happens everywhere.
You’re posting a lot for a guy who said he was done. If you’re done, go.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
If you want me to go then stop refering to me with idiotic posts.
Being an Alumuni from somewhere, you can’t possibly be serious with your latest post. Even if your numbers are correct, and that is suspect, 50 is a long way from 94. If it was 50 then 50-13=37 kids lost to attrition.
My elementary education tells me that 75 is more than double 37.
Thanks for proving my point.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
This has become even worse than talking to my 9 year old son.
Let’s take a quick look at “who knows what” about MUC.
Poster #1 is a random Hobart fan that made 1 trip to Alliance and claims to know it all.
Poster #2 is a local ex-high school O-line coach (now turned broadcaster) that has watched every MUC game in the last 15 years, has coached with and against numerous MUC graduates, has sent some of his HS players to Mount as well as other OAC and NCAC schools.
Hmmm, I wonder which guy has a better idea of what goes on behind scenes at Mount Union?
Take your holier than thou attitude and go elsewhere.
December 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
My point was clear. I’m sorry you missed it. Wish I could make it bigger:
“Attrition happens everywhere.”
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December 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
By the way, try doing the ratio. And darn, looks like I was a few asterisks short.
December 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I THINK BARTMAN IS A FUNNY GUY. WHAT SAY WE ALL MEET BARTMAN AT THE NEXT HOBART GAME AND REHASH THIS OVER A COUPLE OF BEERS. OOOPS, THERE WON’T BE A NEXT HOBART GAME FOR LONG TIME. WE’LL HAVE TO SETTLE FOR A RAIN CHECK.
December 4th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Bartman: There is no way I want to get in the middle of this, but in fairness to the site and the manner in which it is run, let me say this. A few years ago, after I learned about this site, I began to post comments from time to time and it was before Franklin was ever recognized very significantly in any discussions that had to do with “power programs”, etc. I was trying to make a case for our rivalry with Hanover, which dates back to, I think, the late 1800’s as one of the best DIII rivalries in the country, and I really believe that it is one of the best ones! That aside, I received one day a response from Keith that was very respectful and yet pointed out to me that I was posting with “rose colored glasses” and as a result losing some of what I was trying to convey. I was trying so hard to get Franklin “into the conversation” that I think I actually may have diminished the points I was trying to make. One of the very frustrating things about DIII sports in general is that, as great as it is (and we all know how incredibly special it is!), it gets very little sports press attention. I mean as good as Keith and Pat are on this subject, selection Sunday a few weeks ago got 5 minutes on ESPNNEWS, not even ESPN 2??? I mean, what’s with that? So, all of us are frustrated by that. My experience with this site is that it is a labor of love, not a gold mine for either Pat or Keith…..they could easily be doing something else. But they do this with an incredibly high sense of fairness and I have found they don’t love one team and not another, the fact is they have to try and cover over 200 of them during the season…I’d like to see the ESPN Gameday guys even come close to doing that! Like all of us, they do the best they know how and we who love DIII sports owe them a huge debt of gratitude….they are fair and they are rational and resonable, they really are. What we all have is an opportunity to enjoy college sports the way all of the other divisions say they have it and of course do not. Our players attend wonderful insititutions with limited atheletic budgets, supported by loyal alums who can still stand along the sidelines and watch a football game without a season ticket watching young men who will not be playing at the next level, play for the love of the game and be coached by people who don’t necesarily apsire to the next level, but see the value in really coaching and modeling real life skills and values while they’re at it, and in the process receive a wonderful education!! It doesn’t get much better than that! This is true at Hobart and it is true at Mount Union as well. As alums and fans of these great small colleges and universities, we may sometimes not realize just how “good” we’ve got it!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
R24aider,
I would love to have a few with you (”your” lame attempt at insult aside) . I don’t know if you would be able to keep up though. I’m a fairly big guy and not susceptable to going down early. I’ll even bring my own. You wouldn’t mind Genesee, would you?
I also am not the goofy one wearing the hat. An earlier post said that all teams have their arrogant fans. Well, you saw him wearing the hat. I know, “you’re” saying to yourselves: “That can’t be true. How is bartman not the arrogant one?” I swear, it’s not me. Hobart’s arrogant one is the goofy guy with the hat. I have had to watch him for three years now and am sooooo glad to be over with him.
My son thought that he was ready for it to be over too. He has put 8 hard years into the game, just like every other senior player on all football teams in the nation. He said after the game that he thought he was ready for it to be over (he is pretty beat up after a full season. Has had two knee surgeries in his career and ices almost all joints, all the time) but now that it is over, he doesn’t want it to end. He and Dad (me), and Uncle, and Mom, and brothers, and Aunt all got pretty emotional.
If you guys would like a compliment about the MUC program then here it comes: When my son and I were talking the week of the game, we had agreed that if his career ends with this loss, what better way to go out than losing to the best team in the nation? So, I am actually hoping for MUC to go all the way. Suprised, aren’t you?
It takes courage to play this game. All other sports pale by comparison, except maybe Australian Rugby, and maybe not even that. It is not like other sports in which it takes courage to play only some of the time. In football, kids are lining up 50-70 times a game and possibly getting their bell rung or worse each time. What heart!!
I keep telling you all to be more introspective. Well, I for one will try. I think that my anger over MUC slights (percieved?) at the game may have something to do with protecting the hard work and heart that goes with playing this game. Of course, an emotional son will do that to you too. When I percieved you folks as being condescending to Hobart, it felt like you were being condescending to my son. Obviously, you didn’t mean it that way, at the game or on the posts. But I hope that you folks can take this suggestion to heart, in the spirit in which it was intended, and be more sensitive to the other teams you trounce. That doesn’t mean that a person should stop rooting loudly and feircly for their team. In fact, I thought the Hobart fan’s did a great job at this, if I do say so myself.
So, in the spirit of the holiday’s and also to honor those young men that play this game of games: I apologize for being condescending and arrogant to you. I still think I’m correct, mind you, but I understand your fierce loyalty to your sons and Alma Mater, and team.
Go MUC….I mean it this time
December 4th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Wow……been out of town for a few days, and it’s taken me 30 minutes of reading just to catch up (sort of)…. much anger, ….discussion of quality of education and grammer lessons!!!! Really a change from past years…. Looking forward to the UMHB-W&J game this weekend. W&J has a great team and they are BIG….but the CRU played as good of a game last week against Wesley that I’ve seen them play since last year. They are not WELL yet…but they are getting there. I expect them to win by 10…….
December 4th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Bartman,
Good post. If you’d have started this way, we could have saved lot of time and frustration on all sides.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I liked the Hobart fan with the hat and if he’s gone next year, I’ll miss his spirit. He’s a devoted and harmless fan who has fun. Fun is what has seemingly been mssing on this blog lately.
I dare say that while MUC blew the game wide open in the late 3rd quarter and while it was somewaht close til then, in reality MUC was never seriously threatened by my team. However, there were some potential (before you have a stroke MUC fan, I said POTENTIAL) areas of weakness. Hobart did not have much of a running game in the regular season yet had some success on the ground with a 2nd string RB. Cortland’s O-Line is as big, if not bigger than Hobart’s so perhaps the gound game is where to attack MUC to attempt to control the ball & keep it away from their seemingly unstoppable offense. Like Hobart found out, if the defense is on the field too long Kmic & Co will wear you down. Also, Hobart was able to catch MU off guard a few times on fake punts so special teams may be key. Alliance is a tough place to play and MUC is the #1 team in D-III w/o a doubt so Cortland must bring their A game. Remember Red Dragons, MUC can be beat and you’re the best the East has. Go get em!!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Wow. I really enjoy the significant loyalty that everyone has for their schools. I have to admit that I am a little nervous typing this as it might be under a microscope for grammer or even worse spell check. I am a Mount alumni who has lived in Upstate NY for almost seventeen years. I will always cheer for my team in Alliance, Ohio but I also cheer for the teams from my hometown area in NW Pennsylvania (Grove City and Allegheny). While living in Upstate New York I have had the pleasure to watch great football in the Liberty League, The New Jersey Athletic Conference, Empire 8, Eastern College Athletic Conference, The Patriot League (Division 1A ), and the Middle Atlantic Conferences. Great football, great competition, student athletes, great fan support, community support, and family friendly (my kids love going to the games with me). Do I dare show my enthusiasm about this great playoff format for a National Champion!
I enjoy everyones comments and respect every football opinion given.
grizzfanbill said it well “Our players attend wonderful insititutions with limited atheletic budgets, supported by loyal alums who can still stand along the sidelines and watch a football game without a season ticket watching young men who will not be playing at the next level, play for the love of the game and be coached by people who don’t necesarily apsire to the next level, but see the value in really coaching and modeling real life skills and values while they’re at it, and in the process receive a wonderful education!! It doesn’t get much better than that! This is true at Hobart and it is true at Mount Union as well. As alums and fans of these great small colleges and universities, we may sometimes not realize just how “good” we’ve got it!!!
I truly believe that a quality education can be obtained at many colleges including Mount Union and Hobart. The real testament will be…what will that student athlete and or student do with their education. I utilized my Mount Union degree to become a CEO of a company in Upstate New York. I consider my education to be just as good if not better than a Hobart, Hartwick, Hamilton, Colgate, Ithaca, Allegheny, or any other. This past weekend I won a friendly wager with my friend who graduated from Hobart. I would put education a Mount against his anyday. I was not even insulted when he asked me where Mount Union was. We listened to the game on the Mount Union web page radio broadcast, and if we were thinking we would of had a six pack of Genesse Beer. I did win a dollar on the game. This week I have another dollar bet with my daughters Physical Education teacher who graduated from Cortland.
I would suggest that Hobart and William Smith College contact Mount Union to play a home and away series in the future. St. John Fisher has played Mount in the playoffs in the past and the two schools arranged a home and away for 2008 and 2009. What a great opportunity for programs to improve and what a great way to play the best. I am willing to bet a Genesse Cream Ale that Mount would accept a home and away.
Bartman good final post. Congrats to your son on a successful college career. Wow did that Justin Hager had a hell of a game. Reminded me of a former Ohio Athletic Conference player from John Carroll (London Fletcher)
Good luck to the remaining teams and the athletes. Best of luck to the athletes who have finished their season and continue with their studies.
Happy Holidays and Go Purple Raiders